The Plan - SPOILERS

sweet, clue me in on what the plan is then!!! please!

here’s how i thought there was no plan-
the only plan i was clear on is “lets kill all humans in one day” which i’m sure took a lot of planning (not that we saw much of that).
maybe some call “let’s continue trying to kill them all in a bunch of random ways that we’ll figure out as we go” a plan, and maybe we’re just quibbling over what the definition of ‘plan’ is. ? would love to have my mind changed so i can be less cranky about that line on my rewatches!

The Plan was to infiltrate humanity and wipe them out. The how and why were revealed in the info-dump episode ‘No Exit’. Cavil reveals to Ellen all his evil-doings. So, what is Cavil’s problem? He hates what he is. He knows he could be something greater instead the Five made him a human and he despised them and humanity for it. At the end of ‘The Plan’ we learn that the Cavils had (and I quote) “a temper tantrum in the form of a cataclysm because we wanted them to treasure us, The Ones, more than humanity. More than their own history and blood.” The Ones’ vanity drove them to perform those atrocities. It’s all very powerful to think that one voice could cause so much destruction and pain. So often we see stories about the one voice which battles and fights the good fight. This was the reverse on that.

Finally Cavil learns, “If the humans were gone…Our parents would mourn them. They’d love them more anyway.” He, well one of the Ones at least, learns his faults. The Other Cavil wants to see that Caprica Cavil gets boxed. In a final gesture Caprica Cavil reaches for Galactica Cavil. They hold hands and die together. I’m not sure but I think Galactica Cavil did box Caprica Cavil and then we catch up to the series on New Caprica. We all know how Cavil deals with his angst there.

I hate to argue with you talos but, what you are referring to is information we got from the movie the plan. nobody said that there was not information, just that there was no reveal of what the plan actually was.

the only reference to “the plan " was " the Plan? The plan is that everything dies last week and the universe basks in justice.”

If Cavil’s overall plan had been to allow 1 aging battlestar and enough people and resources to survive so that they could prove that the 13th tribe in the scrolls of pithia was the planet that the ‘moms and dads’ came from. because Cavil wanted to make sure the he killed them all. then we have a plan.
or something else that allowed for the small group of humans to survive so that Cavil could continue to punish his parents until they learned.
IMHO.

I’ve mentioned earlier that ‘The Plan’ was a ret-con masterpiece. Who knows what “The Plan” was while the show was running. Not exactly sure if RDM and crew knew. Point is that the movie ‘The Plan’ did reveal what it was. Sure, it would have been great to be a fly on the wall for the discussions leading up to the actual attack on the colonies but it’s not that difficult to put the pieces together. The Cylons had already rebelled against their masters, they were just finishing the job. Cavil helped instigate that.

That was he who doesn’t like to be called god’s plan.

Cavil doesn’t believe in providence or divine intervention. Cavil could have very easily proven that humanity’s destruction was god’s plan. Cylons are obviously the superior race, especially from the Cylon POV. When trying to convince someone of something, ego is the way to go. Very early on, we see the flaw in Cavil’s Plan. Cylons were copied too perfectly. Caprica Cavil grew a conscience. As we saw throughout the series, so did the other models. They were doomed before they even started and didn’t even know it. Just like the Five had loved and cherished humanity, the other models began to obsess and love humanity. Six, Leoben, and Athena are perfect examples. In ‘The Plan’, we get to see that Simon fell in love as well. Love foiled the Plan. And if the Angel/Head Six is to be believed, “God is Love.” Then Love lead them to Earth as well.

At the beginning of every episode (mostly) we were told the following:
“The cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan.”

For five years it was reinforced and reiterated. For five years we waited to find out what the plan was. Some of us crossed our fingers and looked to the series finale to bring some closure to this elusive plan. We hoped for the big “Aha!” moment where suddenly the stars would align and everything for a moment made sense. This was not meant to be. However word got out that a made for TV movie called, “The Plan” was in production. We the loyal Battlestar audience presumed that we would now finally know what the plan was.

We clearly have not learned anything.

Seriously, how dense are we? If watching the show Battlestar taught us nothing we also had the weekly podcast from the writer/creator/mouseketeer/producer/ who over the course of 100 hours basically gave us one fundamental insight: They had no frakking idea what was going on.

Don’t get me wrong here, I love the show. High points and low points it was the best thing on television. I accept it for what the show is and rebel when people try to assign false facades to it…even when those people are the writer/creater/mouseketeer/producers. Jane Espenson said herself in one of her podcasts, “Part of the fun was painting ourselves into a corner and trying to figure out how to get out of it” or listening to RDM discuss the elaborate brainstorming sessions where the writers were literally making it up as they went along.

To say there is a plan creates a pact, a promise with the viewer. There didn’t have to be, “a plan.” They could have stated there was a plan but it no longer was appropriate or simply removed “and they have a plan” from the intro credits. They could have gone with:

They didn’t tho. They decided to take on the final challenge of explaining what the plan was. I for one expected a thoughtful Rosencrantz and Guildernsten approach of showing what was going on in the background. What we received was a caricature of the show we loved that managed to be derivitve of itself.

The Plan reinforces in the first twenty minutes the very thing we as loyal viewers wanted to know were the details, the philosophy and the execution of this plan we have heard so much about. What do we find out? The plan was to eradicate all of humanity in one dramatic fell swoop. The events of Battlestar post nuking of the colonies was NOT PART OF THE PLAN. The Plan was, “Nuke ‘em till they glow, then nuke ‘em again.” Cavil says himself in the first twenty minutes, “The plan is that everything dies last week and the universe basks in justice."

That’s it. In the end it isn’t about a little boy who somehow finds an apple and gets knifed, it isn’t about the discovery about how Shelly Godgrey got off the ship…it is that they promised to reveal a plan the entire series and when that plan didn’t materialize they decided to make a movie dedicated to the subject…only to say, “Well no, actually no plan, sorry…but here are some boobie shots instead. Look at the pretty boobies! Are you distracted yet? Oh! Here is a dong! That’s high art right there!”

i second what solai just said.

(does collecting underwear include bras for more boobie shots?)

Don’t get me wrong here, I love the show. High points and low points it was the best thing on television. I accept it for what the show is and rebel when people try to assign false facades to it…even when those people are the writer/creater/mouseketeer/producers. Jane Espenson said herself in one of her podcasts, “Part of the fun was painting ourselves into a corner and trying to figure out how to get out of it” or listening to RDM discuss the elaborate brainstorming sessions where the writers were literally making it up as they went along.

Someone may already have said this (I’m playing catchup on this folder) but apparently (based on an RDM podcast or DVD special feature, I can’t remember which) the whole “and they have a plan” think was David “Remaking Bionic Woman is a good idea” Eick’s brilliant idea, something RDM seems to have been annoyed by. Some frakking plan!

(And yet, I still feel that the info dump episode, “No Exit,” revealed quite a bit of the “plan,” said plan being Cavil, petulant child that he was, punishing his “parents.”

Hey, I didn’t say it was a GOOD plan.)

EDIT: okay, no one said it. And, after reading the rest of Solai’s post (I have a problem with interrupting people) I have to “third” what he said. I was satisfied with “No Exit” as a “plan,” of sorts. S’all.

To say nothing of the fact I already had it pre-ordered on bluray before it arrived otherwise.

…course I don’t have a PS3 yet.

i still think their plan was to annihilate the human race, which would mean there is no new plan to be revealed. “The Plan” movie is just to show us how the plan failed from the beginning. Now that it really failed, I think it was a good enough job on the annihilation part. But there are forces beyond human and cylons that prevented annihilation of either side.

And besides the grand plan, Cavil had his own little plan, one that’s not shared with his Larry brethren. Which is to make his creator realize Cylons are more deserving of their love instead of humans.

yeah, it sucked that they didn’t really come up with a plan… but with head six chalked up to being an angel, it’s kind of hard for the cylon to have other plans…

Have not read any above posts, trying to avoid spoilers before I see The Plan. Just got it yesterday and am about to watch it.
Really looking forward to it.

I’ve come to grips with the Finale and loved The Plan. I think they fit together nearly perfectly although I have questions. But those for another time.

It think the Plan is as follows:

“God” wants man to evolve. Cavil is the agent of the Plan. He is the One, but an Evil One. He is the Devil jealous of “God”. Being the creation of “God” he is subject to “God’s” influence. Cavil was incompetent from ep “33” on, but it was, as has just been said, so that the love of Humanity can spread. “He” wanted Humanity to live together with Cylonkind and brought them to extinction so they could see they should.

I’m of the opinion the Lords of Kobol were super-evolved humans–it’s in Pythia that some humans grew to power and were worshipped as gods–which means they are not the same as gods. So “God” is a Lord and that is why he doesn’t being called God–he/she was/is human.

“Can’t We Just All Get Along and How” is the Plan, more or less.

Wow that was deep! That could have been the intro to the plan :slight_smile:
what would be cool if they did a. Movie about kobol and the lords and the first cylons and orginal earth!

I really loved your view on the plan. like shrekjdr said, it is really deep.

though the problem remains, if it is God or Gods’ plan, the intros should have said:

The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. They “evolved”. There are many copies. And God has a plan.

but since it was said that the Cylons were the ones to have a plan, we still didn’t see a real cylon plan, aside from the wiping humans out part.

I myself,am a original battlestar/buck rogers/space 1999/dr who fan.I grew up on them.I’m afraid to watch the remade series of any because i’m sure to be let down.:(My friend says the new battlestar galactic is great.SO i’m going to give in…at least to BSG,i’m not sire about dr who,and i doubt there a new buck rogers.I do like SG-1,SG-A,and just watched the SG-u piolt(not bad).
I like posting here.I feel like anything i say within reason,nerdy,inbred,or otherwise,will be accepted by this commune…no one says “what a dweeb”, ‘you must live in mommys basement’ ,"arne’t you kind old for gaming (40),or judging of any kind.I have found my corner of this twisted web world,and i’m staying.I love you all.:o
I’m not living in mommys house. I DO need a girlfrind though…audra?.I’m actually a trucker nerd (rare).I have a street & dirtbike(ex motorcrosser untill the web),my own place,a nice truck,offline friends,and 3 PC’s in livingroom LAN for friendly gamimg.(i’m single with no kids).:confused:
This is one rambling post,but it DOES mention BSG.
I’m going to attend the next GWC get together,and we’re doing a group hug.
PS,this floyd wall sig i have isn’t nerdy enough.I’ll fix it soon.You guys inserting 640x480 pics are killing my mouse wheel…crop’em down abit will ya?:slight_smile:

I’ve come to the conclusion that The Plan really has to be seen twice.

The first time I saw it, I was concentrating too much on identifying the episodes of the clips, and figuring out where the original stuff fit in relation to the timeline, and saying things to myself like, “Oh cool! That explains that!” So I came out of it with the impression that The Plan was really cool to watch, but not such a great piece of film on its own merits.

I totally changed my opinion watching it a second time. Now that I could concentrate on the film itself, it really does have an arc from beginning to middle to end, it has a theme, two compelling main characters… and what else can you ask for? Oh yeah, kick-ass special effects, and it has those in spades too!

Now you need to watch it a third time with the commentary on to hear why they did some things. :slight_smile:

I’m in agreement with watching a second and third time. Need to take it all in.

I don’t know about that, but the animation on your signature is just about the coolest, funniest frakking thing I’ve ever seen.

Related. (Warning, TVTropes.org = temporal black hole)

I would love to hear what the GWC crew think of The Plan. Any word on when we might get a podcast about it? Especially since it’s over a month old now, I’ve been jonesing for it.