“You give us Hera, and we will give you Resurrection. But the war ends here.”
But it doesn’t, does it? The FF transfer of resurrection technology is interrupted by Tyrol’s rage. Cavil never gets resurrection tech. So he, and his decendants, keep searching for it.
In the moment that Tyrol snaps Tory’s neck, the Cycle starts again. The Cycle never ends.
Or did the Racetrack nukes destroy all the Cavel cylons?
Well maybe I’m reading into things to much. But you know what you may be on to something. Now I’m no expert on Leonardo Da Vinci. BUT if you if youy look again at the Battlestar Galactica Last Supper photo. Chief is in the Judas spot.
Sure chief has done some “lesser” betraying this past season. But think about it.The ULTIMATE betrayal would be, to allow the cycle to continue. You’re right if he did cause the cycle to continue. Then Chief betrayed generations of human and Cylon. maybe it was not a conscious decision when he killed Tori. But being unable to control his actions he betrayed everybody.
Hope that make sense (I’ll fix it when I wake :p)
Sorry if I rambled i’m very tried, a little buzzed and it’s 230
PS now it’s time to go back and look at the BSG last supper picture and see if everybody fit in some how with their counterpart.
the chief betrayed the cavil cyclons and co. but i don’t think he impacted the humans negatively. but good grief is his story arc a never-ending nightmare.
That makes perfect frakin sense. Maybe Kara (the Harbinger of Death) is the one that ends the current Cycle-- by getting us to Earth. But Tyrol is the one that starts it again.
Tigh says something interesting on Earth, speaking to Tyrol:
For what it’s worth… if what happened to Cally happened to Ellen, I’d have done the same frakin’ thing.
Are we ever doomed to repeat the Cycle? I guess we can stop it, theoretically, if we can get rid of the rage, and leave the past behind us. But who can truly leave the past behind? I like to think I’m civilized, and forgiving, and “forward-looking”… but can I forgive, after all the pain and death and anguish done to me?
It appears that, symbolically, the breaking of the Cycle comes down to forgiving Tory. But who amoung us can?
I disagree that the cycle was doomed to repeat when Chief killed Tori. In fact, I think the cycle and Tori’s neck snapped at the same time. They were about to give Cavil’s cylons resurrection. Losing that tech was what brought the other cylons face to face with their “humanity” and allowed them to ally with the humans against their common foe. Restoring that tech to Cavil would again elevate the Cavil Contingent above the humans and their cylon allies. I don’t for a second believe that Cavil would have kept his word. They would have disappeared for a while, built their strength back up, then came back to finish the job they’d set out to do - destroy humanity. The cycle would have repeated yet again…
The show has been from the beggening a look at current events. Look at their recent visit to the UN. The ending is trying to tell us we are the ones that need to break the cycle. The ending dialog between Baltar and Six makes that much apparant to me. Then again, this is just my opinion/take on it.
Well, the Centurions and the Cavills weren’t mentioned in that 150,000 year gap. So I am guessing the Cavills and all them died off, and who knows what happened to the Centurions.
Ok first let me say thank you for everybody who make GWC possible.
Ok I have seen the theory that Chief was Judas in the Last Supper but I remember Ron saying that all the answers could be found in that picture. Where are my answers? What the Frak? Why has Ron forsaken me!!!
Also, do the final 5 (minus Tory), Sharon, and Caprica grow old or are they still alive on earth that is unless they were killed without the possibility of resurrection. I kinda thought of a Highlander type of gathering in the future… there can be only one… my money is on Chief.
Just my opinion, but I think the FF will grow old and die, just like humans. Tigh certainly aged from the time that Bill met him. So, no Highlander gathering.
I thought it was left intentionally ambiguous as to if the cycle was broken. There is the possibility that we will build Cylons in the future. If we treat them as slaves there is always the possibility of revolt, which would lead to war. Meanwhile the Centurions that left in the Basestar could be founding a new colony and evolving to become like the Cylons of Erf. Its been 150,000 years they could have a thriving population of skin jobs. They could have their own internal conflict leading to the destruction of their planet. The refugees could have reinvented ressurection technology. The could eventually run into the Cylons we create. They could give them ressurection tech and the cycle starts all over again. Or nothing could happed at all. Thats what I got out of the ending.
yeah, so am I.
Ya know, not to be a cynic, but we haven’t even clawed our way up to being nice to others of our species, much less nice to others.
highlander as Galen, awesome…
by the way, they ever released the full last supper, they always talk about missing one or two people from it.
That’s kinda what I was assuming. The colony is blown to hell on the edge of a black hole. I completely assumed that that was his, and their, end.
So far the softest part of “us” has been our teeth.
Actually, I started this thread right after watching the finale, before I read the Maureen Ryan article in the Chicago Tribune:
Are we to assume that there are a lot of pissed-off Cavils out there still, or …there’s no definitive answer, or they were destroyed?
RDM: Well, the final final [cut] came out a little less clear on that level than I certainly intended. It’s one of those things we didn’t quite see through all the way to the end. It was scripted and the idea was, that when Racetrack bumps [the button on the controls], hits the nukes, the nukes come in, smack into the Colony, takes the Colony out of the stream that was swirling around the singularity and it fell in and was destroyed and torn apart. I think as we went through the show and kept pulling out [moments for] time and we kept cutting frames and doing this and that, one of the things that became less apparent was that the Colony was doomed.
So, my question turns out not to be as pertinent as I thought… the Cycle could apparently be broken, maybe cause there’s nobody left to come after the remnants of the fleet… but I guess it still leaves the possiblity that it could “naturally” start again.
I don’t believe the cycle was broken. A new one has just begun for the remnants of the Fleet.
I swear I am going to freaking convert everyone I can to believe my concept about the cycle if I have to…
It’s not a bad thing people!!! It’s a not a good thing either!! It just is a fact of life!!!
steps off soapbox
Yeah - it’s not like if the cycle is broken everything is going to be hunky dory for ever. Fine - try to break the cycle or stretch it out, because “we” know it leads to conflict of a certain sort and great destruction. But, if “we” succeed in that, there’ll be something else. It is what it is.