Thanks. I guess I need to see the full ending because I don’t see how her death is because she gave up versus Anakin killing her in his rage.
It was interesting to see that the senator is married. Which leads me to believe Leia was talking about her in RotJ and not Padme.
I missed the frak, but I wanted to drop in re the ‘Anakin turning evil overnight isn’t realistic’ conversation.
Here’s the thing… He doesn’t turn ‘evil’ in the standard movie-villain sense. What he does is much worse: he begins to think that the ends justify the means. He wants galactic peace, so he crushes individual planets. He sees the jedi as obstacles to true justice, so he exterminated them. He is a fiery person who decides that the end result is more important than the journey, and this excuses even the most horrific actions.
There are parallels in our society. Many (maybe even some on this board) feel that torturing suspected terrorists is ok in case it saves lives. There are police who plant evidence on people they know are guilty because they can’t prove it. It goes on and on, the most dangerous is not the mustachioed villain tying the girl to the tracks, it’s the true believer who knows he is right.
That’s who Vader is, and it isn’t until RotJ that he realizes the depth of his mistake.
torturing is never ok, and delivers poor intel.
if torturing is so effective and accurate, why not torture crime suspects, their relatives, acquaintances and witnesses? god knows it’d save lives in serial killer cases, child abductions, let’s save some lives and start torturing! no? why not? Cause it doesn’t frakking work. When you are being tortured you’d say anything just so the torture stops. That usually means not trying to give useful intel, but just guessing what the torturer wants to hear, because that’s the only quick way to stop the torture.
So what ends up happening is that the torturer has already made up his mind about what he wants to hear. The torturer can’t tell if new info he gets out of it is real or false and torturing doesn’t confirm or validate his already made up suspicions, he might as well just go ahead with his plan without the torture. If you were a devoted religious extremist, and someone is torturing you to get the where abouts of your religious leader, what would you have done? Most people would just make up random places so the torture would stop. And how would the torturer know whether are being fed false information? Well they can’t unless they already have some kind of idea of where the leader might be. See the problem with torturing?
There’s just been a cold case where a low ranking private suspected of raping children was tortured and confessed to the crimes in military court, he was executed 20 years ago. And now they have the real killer confessing to that crime 20 years later. Shows how great torture works… This is the discourse from the person that led the torture who is free of charges and firmly believing that he did the right on the news: “Oops, sorry for accusing your only son for being a perverted child killer then torturing him until he validated his own conviction, then killing him. So sorry, gosh, if only he had just told the truth when we tortured him, then he never would have died. So the fault is actually on your son for being such a liar… oh wait, i am here to say sorry.”
Torturing was a great way to relieve stress back in the middle ages when Grand Theft Auto didn’t exist. For saving lives, it is as effective as trying to get to somewhere quickly by ramming every car in the way. Unless of course when you are a telepathic jedi or something… in that case why not just read his mind and stop wasting time on torturing your source?
Did they hand you a pamphlet when you entered the theatre? Because that ^^^ wasn’t in the film.
Anakin is naive and has an attitude. He has a desire to live as a Jedi to fight the Sith. Then when the threat reveals itself, he hesitates. Later he stops his superior and allows Mace’s death. Finally, he murders children that trusted him. What caused this incredible shift? Was it the Jedi not awarding him the title of Master? Was it fear for Padme’s death? Was it the death of his mother? The movie paints Anakin as a hero, not an anti-hero.
I try and try to understand this. The only conclusion I can make is that Anakin is unstable, mentally unstable. The midi-chlorians went to his head; too much Force on the brain. Yet, if that was the case could the writer explain that?
Even with everything Thunder mentioned above, it does not jibe with the character created up until the point of Anakin’s fall. IMO. So, am I to believe that Anakin was brainwashed (or Force washed) and did those around him just accept his opinions? ‘He’s harmless, that’s just how he is.’ In the end, Anakin was a deranged, mentally ill, brainwashed cult member? Is that it? Was it supposed to be ‘American Psycho’ or ‘Fight Club’ or ‘American History: X’ for kids?
I guess that, even though I didn’t get into Star Wars per se until the prequels come out (see: my age lol), I went into the prequels knowing what Anakin was going to become. So I, at least, never saw him as a hero. Or, really, an anti-hero. I agree that Lucas’s “vision” is a bit muddly (as we mentioned yesterday - the story is shades of gray in a universe that’s presented, rigidly, as black and white), though.
Best Buy has the TOS Blu-ray movies for $50 atm. If I had money…
Long link to page
Seems different that the Amazon edition which includes a bonus disc.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Original-Collection-Frontier/dp/B001TH16DI/
Thanks fastcart. I’ll need to add that to the Wishlist so “someone” can purchase that for me.
Looks like a holiday sale. Back up to $100 at Best Buy and Amazon is the better deal now.