So true. I guess what I meant was that it was often portrayed and meant to be perceived by the audience as so obvious. ‘Oh. He’s gay!’ instead of a casual occurence.
We had similar discussions surrounding race during the Orginal Series’ fraks. I guess this would be considered the half-black/half-white TNG episode.
Agreed. Well worded and well delivered.
A person’s sexual orientation is what it is and no one has a right to belittle, dispute or change that.
Ugh. It’s been a bad few days on that front… 
Indeed!
Once again, I implore anyone who hasn’t seen it to watch Star Trek Phase II “Blood and Fire” real gay character on the crew taken seriously.
But then we get the real Worf again - “a warrior does not let a friend face danger alone”
In regard to the producers, Star Trek was considered a “family” show. It’s sad that no one thot educating folks in sexual orientation was not a good family topic.
I guess it’s good a least that the viewing audience is there now.
Though, aside from Caprica, sci fi hasn’t been a leader in the homosexual character front.
You LOVE Worf.
Casilda and Worf sitting in a tree K.I.S.S.I.N.G. 
On the contrary, Stephen on Dynasty was a recurring character who happened to be gay. The kiss was certainly played up for ratings, but it was natural for his character’s progression. He (and Billy Crystal’s character, whose name escapes) were bright moments in several decades of ignorance. Most gay characters on TV were as you said, but sometimes real gems managed to appear. It’s just sad that Trek, which handled racism so deftly, fell so flat in this regard.
We had similar discussions surrounding race during the Orginal Series’ fraks. I guess this would be considered the half-black/half-white TNG episode.
Unlike that one, this episode never went far enough, though.
Yeah that’s a very TNG episode, a very TNG way of looking at things. It’s not one of my favorites but I do think it raises important issues.
If only I were single… :rolleyes:
WWJTK do?
Frak Soren. Frak Troi. Frak Dr. Crusher. Put his boots back on. And then make an impassioned speech saying “What…Right…Do …We …Have. To…Define…Love?”
His speech would convince the planet that they are wrong and change their beliefs immeadiately to except gender roles.
We need to frak those some time. I think 'talos and I started, but we never quite got that far.
Indeed. Really though, nothing more need be said than: “Most people are straight. Some aren’t. Get over it.”
Again, I think studios are at fault in a lot of cases. Sci-fi shows are expensive, so avoiding controversy tends to be more of a motivating factor, not to mention that most studios are still run by old white guys.
I never saw any Dynasty but SOAP was ahead of its time on many fronts. From what you’re saying the TNG writing staff should have taken notes from Dynasty. IMO, by the time of Voyager and Enterprise they should have stepped up. Archer should have been gay. White Captain, Bald Captain, Black Captain, Woman Captain, Gay Captain. It just makes sense.
In the past I’ve had some weird thing where I click on mem alpha and I loose my net connection. Don’t want to risk that right now.
Would you cut and paste for me?
Yeah, I don’t think it was bad for what it was, but I think the problem was that this was the closest Trek had come in tackling the subject. Not a single gay person on the entire ship? I mean, humans have sex with aliens who were practically animals, but at least they were of opposite genders? There’s definitely an implicit message there: we got rid of those sick freaks centuries ago.
Le sigh.
WWJTK?
Convince the entire planet that they’re female. Introduce them to hairstyles besides “Moe”. Inseminate all the fibrous husks personally.
At least there were no Jews. :eek:
Hawk was portrayed by actor Neal McDonough.
The bios in Star Trek: Starship Creator written by Mike and Denise Okuda specify Hawk’s first name as Neal, while the Pocket TNG novel Rogue, part of the Star Trek: Section 31 series of novels, gives him the name of Sean Liam Hawk, which is continually used into Star Trek: Titan. Furthermore, the story “Seeing Forever” in Strange New Worlds IV establishes his first name as Ren.
While rumors have persisted that Lt. Hawk was originally intended to be Star Trek’s first openly gay character, the producers of Star Trek: First Contact and actor Neal McDonough have denied this. However, Hawk is indeed depicted as being gay in the novel Section 31: Rogue, which has been referenced again in the Star Trek: Titan novel series, where his partner, an unjoined Trill male named Ranul Keru, serves as the Titan’s chief of security.
Thanks. Yup. Totally Dumbledore Retconned.
Not to mention that, if true, he also got Whedoned: gay characters die, bisexual characters turn evil. :eek: