“Tell me about your sexual organs”. Badger, I saw you put that in the intro post, but I couldn’t beleive or remember that that line was actual there in it. Wow.
His heart was in the right place, but maybe as a product of his time, he really had a poor record in the 60s of how he personally treated some women.
I remember listening to a co-worker ranting and raving when Ellen Degeneres kissed a woman on her old sitcom. I would like to think that Trek audiences would be more accepting.
I don’t know. The topic always seemed to be handled either in a comic or scandalous way. For example the stereotypical famboyant gay man or the aggressive prison inmate. IMO, they promoted homophobia. These man were often aggressive and after heterosexual men in an attempt to convert them.
Here are some quotes from Gene Roddenberry:
“In the fifth season [of Star Trek: The Next Generation] viewers will see more of shipboard life [including] gay crew members in day-to-day circumstances.”
Gene Roddenberry, to The Advocate, 1991
[i]“My attitude toward homosexuality has changed. I came to the conclusion that I was wrong. I was never someone who hunted down “fags” as we used to call them on the street. I would, sometimes, say something anti-homosexual off the top of my head because it was thought, in those days, to be funny. I never really deeply believed those comments, but I gave the impression of being thoughtless in these areas. I have, over many years, changed my attitude about gay men and women.”
Gene Roddenberry, to The Humanist, 1991 (full interview)
“I’m sorry I never had a homosexual relationship, because I know there must be many joys and pleasures and degrees of closeness in those relationships.”
Gene Roddenberry, in Gene Roddenberry; The Last Conversation (by Yvonne Fern, 1994) [/i]
I really wish these ideas and feelings had made their way into the show, especially the second quote.
Dr Crusher “Men like to pretend they don’t care about whether they’re attractive to women even when it’s the most important thing on their mind.”
This is true. As a hetero male, I confess.
Beverly’s views on the division of sexes are kind of old-fashioned. Some men do use “colors” and have longer hair, and some women try not to look like they try hard. :rolleyes:
Relax Worf. Poker with wild cards is not sissy.
LOL.
I usually love Worf but ugh he’s a troglodyte there…
Cool to hear those words out of the Great Bird.
Really is more about transgender than homosexuality but the idea of allienation and “hiding what you are” applies universally.
Prejudice and ignorance are by definition a state of being mis-informed to the point where a person trapped in their grasp does not even realize it.
“Damint Enterprise, transport these people off this Shuttle NOW so I can be alone with Soren!!!”
I may be giving the writer too much credit, but I wonder if the over-the-top statements are on purpose.
I like to think that was a genuine Star Trek moment. Seriously, wouldn’t a species without gender be fascinated by a gender-divided species? Our hang-ups about sex are the only reason that such questions are inappropriate. It would be simple curiosity otherwise.
I can only speak for my own experience, but to me, even that was worthwhile. Seeing someone “like me” on Star Trek in '90s would have been as important as Uhura was in the '60s.
I really wish these ideas and feelings had made their way into the show, especially the second quote.
I have no trouble imagining studio interference on that point. Let’s face it, we’re talking about just a few years after the AIDS epidemic became news. It was a wildly unpopular topic. Of course, that used to be exactly the kind of thing that Star Trek was so good about tackling.
Almost definitely. Worf usually doesn’t say such things. In all honesty, Klingon women are hardly weak. In this episode, though, someone had to say something like a male chauvinist pig, and Worf got lucky, it appears.
Well said.
When I woman is trying to pick me up at a party, I always respond like Riker does saying “I’ve always been interested in exo-biology.”
Riker and Troi are so… complicated. Kinda.
Troi to Riker “We’ll always be friends …with benefits.”
This species has Republicans in charge I think.
Whatever other failings this episode had, this speech was brilliant.
Bravo.