So what do we do now? Speculation time

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#1

I am of the Whether It’s Earth Or Not, They’re Not Staying For Long school of thought. Which begs the question, so where does the RTF go next?

Well, let’s evaluate some places:

  1. Back to the 12 Colonies - sure and jump from the frying pan and into the fire, so to speak. (What a great idea - if we’re going to live on a nuked planet, let’s at least do it at home amid familiar, if somewhat destroyed surroundings.)

  2. New Caprica - not a chance.

  3. Algae planet - ditto

  4. Kobol - Hmmm. Well are they going to continue running from the Cylons (or at least the Cavil contingent)? If so, probably doesn’t make a lot of sense to head back in the direction they just came from. How many Cylons are out there - “millions”, including those on the home world and the 12 colonies and god knows how many base ships they have yet to encounter? Or have the Cylons pretty much put all their eggs into one basket - vacate the home world and the 12 colonies (why would they want to stay there, assuming they have wiped out any remaining humans) and gamble it all on finding Earth (for reasons we do not yet know) and finishing off the last of the RTF, assuming all remaining humans are in it? If the latter, then maybe there would be a “fair fight” between the RTF and “rebel” Cylons on the one hand and the Cavil crowd on the other. If the RTF fleet prevails, it can go pretty much any place it wants (although left with very little as per EJO’s interview comments) and Kobol appears to be a better place than any other they know about.

  5. Earth - on the chance that they are not already there.

  6. Some yet unknown life supporting planet. This is where the logic of the they’re on Earth already crowd (which includes me) encounters a problem. I just do not see the storyline heading that way. My instincts (often wrong) tell me that we have pretty much seen all the relevant planets in the BSG universe.

  7. Keep plodding along in the RTF (or what’s left of it after the inevitable “big battle”). Well, that would be a grim ending alright. But I just don’t see the writers leaving the humans “lost in space”. Also, we have to get the everything is going to happen again ball rolling.

So my bets are back to Kobol or on to Earth, because they’re not there yet. Given my belief that they ARE now on Earth, my half hearted prediction is Kobol. Why am I so unexcited about this prospect?

Thoughts? Again, this assumes that they do not attempt to make a go of it on a planet that is a nuclear wasteland.

#2

If Earth, a planet nuke a long time ago, is not suitable for humanity, 12 colonies, a planet very recently nuked, would be even worse, wouldn’t it?

Collective bad memory is just to great. No one wants to go back to new craaaaprica, not humans, not cylons. No one. Not even Jake.

Let’s not forget, algae planet is, alas, no more. It now lies as a fragmented part of a supernova remnant.

Nicest place to live of all of the options so far. Only feasible if some kind of sustainable political peace can be reached between all warring parties, since everyone knows where it is.

I’m sure we’re there.

#3

It’ll be fine–have centurions plant a few trees (after saying please)

#4

Two words: Time Travel. They’re going to ancient pre-nuked Earth.

#5

Exactly - and for all we know - militant Cylons to boot.

Collective bad memory is just to great. No one wants to go back to new craaaaprica, not humans, not cylons. No one. Not even Jake.

Plus dreary weather. Like England.

Let’s not forget, algae planet is, alas, no more. It now lies as a fragmented part of a supernova remnant.

Pretty much eliminates it - except for a hardy few.

Nicest place to live of all of the options so far. Only feasible if some kind of sustainable political peace can be reached between all warring parties, since everyone knows where it is.

Unless the humans (and rebels) “win” at a terrible cost. I don’t see how the series can end with Toasters and type 7’s (even the rebels) surviving. Less certain about the FF. What we know about the creation of the Cylons in the prequel has to tell us that - maybe.

I’m sure we’re there.

Well, you’re out of luck, because so am I (although I acknowledge that some of the arguements to the contrary have traction.

What depresses me is that NONE of these resolutions captures my imagination. And I guess that is what I have found so wonderful about the plots and acting in BSG - it has captivated my imagination.

#6

And the national holiday can be Arbor Day. What an unexpected twist.

#7

I also think they’re on Earth - or at least Earth as it exists in the BSG universe.

Part of me thinks that both cylon and human will become extinct by the end of the series - either by everyone outright dying - to be fair, I was expecting more big name character deaths in 4.0 - or by those surviving being unable to continue on the species. That would suck. Big time.

#8

Is Earth even habitable? That’s what I think is an important consideration.

If not my money is on a return to Kobol.

#9

I think they are on earth as well.

Whatever triggered the music/static/radio in the final 4 also seems to have turned on the co-ordinates to Earth in the “special Viper”. Is whatever that is waiting for them on Earth?

I remember that the Cylons didn’t seem to mind living on nuked out Caprica. Maybe they have some kind of planet rehabilitation process (plan?)? The Hybrid can fix a Base Star, maybe she can fix a planet.

D’Anna totally sidestepped the whole question of the 5th Cylon. She said “the 4 in your fleet”. I don’t think she knows where the 5th one is. Maybe on Earth?

#10

If they head back to Caprica they run the risk of running into cyclons that can be reincarnated (remember, this was the only hub following them, there are several more).

If the whole series goes into a time travel deal I will be disappointed because that whole senario is kind of a sci-fi cop out used to “explain” things in a plot that don’t add up.

I am still with the folks who don’t think this is earth. I think it might be a planet the Cavil group destroyed thinking it was earth. Either that of Cavil’s Brigade saw that this planet had clues to find earth for the human/rebel cyclon group and destroyed it in hopes of stopping them from reaching earth.

I hope they don’t do a spin off of “Battlestar Galactica 1980.” That show reaaaaallllyyyy sucked!

#11

There’s stuff growing on earth so it might be habitable in parts at least. I mean it wouldn’t be ideal by any means

#12

I absolutely agree that going back to Kobol or looking for another “Earth” is feasible in theory, but just completely demoralizing to the people of the fleet or to the views of the show. Three years of wandering aimlessly through space, not knowing if they would be alive tomorrow, if they’d have place to live and food to eat… and then surviving New Craaaaprica… living through torture and friends and neighbors getting dragged out and disappearing in the middle of the night, and then more of running for their lives through space…

After all that, they find and land on Earth, and now they turn around and go back? If Earth has even a bathroom-sized parcel of land that is still habitable, they are all staying.

#13

double post… my bad.

#14

Not to mention that they’re supposedly forbidden to step foot on Kobol. “And Zeus warned the leaders of the twelve tribes that any return to Kobol would exact a price in blood.” They’ve already been there, of course, so they might already be doomed, but would going back really be a good idea if not? Assuming, of course, the gods are real. Even if they’re not, the warning may have some relevance that isn’t clear yet. OTOH, humanity returning to the place of its birth does have a nice symmetry to it, even if there is a high price attached.

My instincts (often wrong) tell me that we have pretty much seen all the relevant planets in the BSG universe.

What about the Cylon homeworld? Everyone living there together in peace sounds a bit too… kumbaya for the tone of the series, but maybe after the cataclysmic final battle, that might be a nice place to settle.

How hardy do they need to be to survive on dust and “very small rocks”? Is the Little Prince in the fleet? :smiley:

Unless the humans (and rebels) “win” at a terrible cost. I don’t see how the series can end with Toasters and type 7’s (even the rebels) surviving. Less certain about the FF.

D’Anna’s comment that “they’ll never forgive us for what we did to the colonies” sticks in my mind. I can’t help but to think that that’s significant. Maybe the Cylons as whole crave something from humanity that they’ve never gotten up to this point. To be treated as equals. To be forgiven for their mistakes. To be accepted as adults by their parents? Lee showed that human parents don’t have to die for their children to reach their potential. Perhaps the same is true of humanity and their “children” the Cylons?

What we know about the creation of the Cylons in the prequel has to tell us that - maybe.

shh… spoiler alert! :eek:

Even if all life was wiped out, there’s no reason that new life can’t begin there. Just because something is sterilized doesn’t mean that it can never support life ever again. As the Doctor says, life will out!

I tend to agree with this point of view. If they have someplace in particular that they can go, then maybe that’s an option. Otherwise, they’ve already done the nomads of the stars bits.

#15

Agree it has nice symmetry, but it’s also sort of corny for a show like this, that pushes one’s imagination so hard. On the other hand, the price in blood could be the last all out battle of the series.

What about the Cylon homeworld? Everyone living there together in peace sounds a bit too… kumbaya for the tone of the series, but maybe after the cataclysmic final battle, that might be a nice place to settle.

Certainly a possibilty, but I just don’t see it. I keep going back to the EJO interview about how the series wraps up.

How hardy do they need to be to survive on dust and “very small rocks”? Is the Little Prince in the fleet? :smiley:

Very hardy and very few.

D’Anna’s comment that “they’ll never forgive us for what we did to the colonies” sticks in my mind. I can’t help but to think that that’s significant. Maybe the Cylons as whole crave something from humanity that they’ve never gotten up to this point. To be treated as equals. To be forgiven for their mistakes. To be accepted as adults by their parents? Lee showed that human parents don’t have to die for their children to reach their potential. Perhaps the same is true of humanity and their “children” the Cylons?

True. My problem with this, and to some extent with the humans/rebels cooperation, is that these same rebels participated in the extermination of billions of humans - including families, loved ones, friends of those in the fleet. I’ll avoid the usual Holocaust metaphor and contend that it is the equivalent of asking the Chinese civilian population, who survived the Rape of Nanking, to forgive the Japanese within 4 years of the end of WW II. Not likely.

shh… spoiler alert! :eek:

Sorry - thought this was well known, because has been subject of press releases as opposed to “inside” information.

Even if all life was wiped out, there’s no reason that new life can’t begin there. Just because something is sterilized doesn’t mean that it can never support life ever again. As the Doctor says, life will out!

I don’t know. Starting anew on a radioactive planet does not seem wise to me.

This is a hard one, even with a seemingly limited number of options.

Of course, if they are not on Earth, then their next move is much easier to predict (although no less potentially disappointing).

#16

A price in blood, visited upon all humans and Cylons by angry gods, certainly sounds pretty “grim” to me…

True. My problem with this, and to some extent with the humans/rebels cooperation, is that these same rebels participated in the extermination of billions of humans - including families, loved ones, friends of those in the fleet. I’ll avoid the usual Holocaust metaphor and contend that it is the equivalent of asking the Chinese civilian population, who survived the Rape of Nanking, to forgive the Japanese within 4 years of the end of WW II. Not likely.

Really? They’re cooperating with the rebel Baseship and led it back to what they believed to be the promised land. “Not likely” is long since over.

Sorry - thought this was well known, because has been subject of press releases as opposed to “inside” information.

No problem, just that some of us have been avoiding even that much.

“Hi, I’m Badger, and I’m a spoiler-phobe.” :smiley:

I don’t know. Starting anew on a radioactive planet does not seem wise to me.

As Tyrol said of Cally: “the best of limited options”.

#17

That I do agree with. My thought is ending at the starting point seems a bit “too easy” of an out for the writers.

Really? They’re cooperating with the rebel Baseship and led it back to what they believed to be the promised land. “Not likely” is long since over.

My point was muddled. I have thought that, given what the Cylons did to the 12 colonies, the human/rebel cooperation after merely 3 years strained credulity and was a weaker part of the plot. (Of course, I still love the show.) Has caused me to wonder just how far the writers are going to take this d’etente.

No problem, just that some of us have been avoiding even that much.

“Hi, I’m Badger, and I’m a spoiler-phobe.” :smiley:

As Tyrol said of Cally: “the best of limited options”.

Could be. Causes one to wonder though, if they stay, what’s the big forthcoming battle (that seems to be inevitable) is going to be over. While the battle does not have to be over “turf” one would think that would have something to do with it. And an armed struggle for this planet raises doubts - unlike a battle over Kobol.

Also raises another question that might deserve its own thread, Badger, even given my comments above about the human/rebel alliance - what do any of these groups - humans, rebels, loyalist Cylons, FF really have left to fight/kill each other over?

#18

You know, given the tone of the show, I think that is what Moore and Eick are doing. Think about it. Anyone who has ever suffered through at least one sitting of that series will tell you how crappy the TOS version of arriving at Earth was. In the RIS we get to Earth and Earth is crappy. It looks very much like Moore is playing a very morbid joke on us all, by giving a wink to the 1980 series.

#19

Or…

The RTF finds signs that two nations(US and China) have merged into an entity known as the Alliance, and left for a different system with hundreds of teraformed worlds. The RTF arrives, and is greeted By a transport ship called Serenity. BSG ends, and season two of FireFly begins with Tigh, Starbuck, and Anders working aboard Serenity as smugglers.

But seriously, I would bank on the RTF either staying and trying to rebuild Earth, or they head back to Kobol, or they find evidence the humans left earth, and they try to track them down.

#20

:frowning: Way to get my hopes up for a new Firefly series. :stuck_out_tongue: