Samuel Anders

There was a lot of emotion being thrown around at the end, but the part that got to me the most was actually Anders’ final journey into the sun (though Adama calling it “The Sun” was kind of jarring - how does he know to call it that?).

You have this character who wasn’t liked a lot at first by the fan community and he becomes incredibly important to the series but seems surrounded by tragedy endlessly. He is obviously very conflicted at times, loves his wife but can’t ever find happiness with her, slugs it out on New Caprica, finds out he’s a Cylon, and eventually gets brain-fried and ultimately dies while sending the fleet to its destruction. I found it surprisingly sad; it left a real ache in my heart to see Sam go. So much happens after it’s easy to lose that part of the finale, but it really stuck with me, even while trying to parse Starbuck’s meaning and purpose (and eventual comeback when we get the cycle going again in the future). As someone who thought he was unnecessary at first, it kind of broke my heart to see the now-hybrid meet his end. Within the show’s mythology, however, it seems to me that he most likely did cross over to the other side and meet Starbuck there, or at least that’s how I like to think of it. Sam the Hybrid and Starbuck the White, together and hopefully happy for a few hundred thousand years before she is called to duty again, confused and troubled until remembering her true purpose.

Before she left him on the ship. He told her see you on the other side. Kinda tells ya where he is in all this. He knew at the end what was going on and how it all fit.

Good analysis! And I loved that they played the Colonial Anthem for him…because yes, the remaining Colonials wouldn’t be alive at least twice over if it weren’t for him. For having lives full of such tragedy, I hope Sam and Kara get a long happy afterlife. I also got the impression that one of the reasons he and Kara could stick together was that they both unconsciously understood destiny, while poor Lee kept denying everything but Kara’s humanity so he always got left out.

I think you’ve really nailed it; I was sad to see him go because he was such a good decent guy, and I was sorry he didn’t live to go to Earth. (I wasn’t thrilled with the whole Sam-as-hybrid thing, but at least he died a big damn hero.)

But perhaps this was the way he and Kara could be happy together - on the other side. I don’t think she ever fully appreciated him until he was taken away from her. I took her behavior during her last conversation with Lee to be that she understood the two of them would never be anything more than two people who loved each other. So maybe that’s when she was ready to give more of herself to Sam. I think she found peace. Hopefully Sam did too, but, well, I still kinda wish things had ended better for him.

Kara’s goodbye to Sam was one of the most poignant moments of the entire series for me. And since I can’t think about it without tearing up, I’ll have to wait to say anything more.

Im still a but unhappy that Sam went out the way he did. Sam was a fighter, and he died semi-concus in a tub o’ goo. I just wish that he had died in battle. He died noble, but not the way he would have liked to. I think killing him during the mutiny might have been best because i think the munity needed one of the “good guys” to die.

I respectfully disagree. Not that he wasn’t a fighter, but that he DID die in battle. He died in a battle with fate itself … and through his action (and those of others) defeated fate and the cycles.

Just how I see it.

“Hey Sam. We’ve got this loose end and… well… could you just jump into the sun for us?”

“The Frak? Can’t I just hang out here in orbit and take in the wonders of math and, er, some kind of game with a ball, and…”

“No, we really would rather you just jump into the sun. Oh, and take the rest of the fleet with you.”

“But why? The fleet’s orbit would decay and eventually nature (or God, or whatever) would burn the fleet up in the atmosphere, so there really doesn’t seem to be…”

“It’s sun time, Sam.”

“Wait. The Centurions and that hottie of a hybrid are taking off for parts unknown. Perhaps it would be wise if I went with…”

“OK, off you go. Into the sun. Ta-ta! Loved you.”

Classic! :slight_smile:

LOL! (Is that supposed to be Starbuck talking to him? Because if so you totally have to do a sequel where he’s all on the other side and “Ha, as hybrid I could see everything, including that I’d end up here. Psych!”)

I don’t know if this has been mentioned before, but I thought there was a direct parallel connecting Athlete Sam’s speech in the tub to his final moments of existence as a hybrid. He talked about playing the game and caring only about mastering the perfect throw. I like to think his final, perfect throw was guiding the fleet into the sun.

Also, I like to think that the moment Starbuck 2 disappeared was the same moment Sam burned up in the sun. When Sam crossed over into the great beyond, he took Kara with him, and they lived in peace for a long, long time.

Agreed, I think that it was a nice moment for Sam. I was sobbing, but it was still nice.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around this one. Let’s face it, Kara was a crappy wife to Anders and certainly had a strange way of showing her love for him. (Not like me. I would have loved him and been faithful and appreciated the arm porn…Sorry, lost my train of thought.)

Even as Starbuck the White she’s bumping and grinding with Leoben on the poo barge and, if Hotdog’s smart alecky remark from the mutiny episode is accurate, she was still shagging half the fleet. Until her husband gets shot in the head. Then she decides she loves him and wants to be with him and can’t bear to watch him suffer.

So…it WAS a poignant scene and I was probably tearing up while watching it. But now I’m having a hard time understanding it in the context of the emotional bouillabaisse that was Kara Thrace.

Kara took him for granted—it’s not that she didn’t love him, but she just wasn’t focusing on him. It’s especially obvious looking back at some of their scenes in the past. She was being selfish, and only realized it when she thought she was going to lose him. Not unrealistic at all, IMO.

(Also, I don’t think Hot Dog was referencing anything recent, just that she had slept around before and they all knew it. According to Michael Trucco and Katee Sackhoff, they don’t think that Kara slept around on Anders after the marriage (apart from cheating with Lee), and that any comments were just meant to hurt. Leoben was a mindfrakker…I don’t think that meant anything.)