Yup…settles it…She’s just a jerk. lol
You iknow who I’d rather follow? Hotdog! Afterall, he is the fifth cylon!
ou know, hy follow Cain or Adama when we have one other overlooked choice that we can make…the fifth cylon…and we all know that we all want to follow the fifth clon…and hat cylon is…Hogdog yay (if you havn’t seen that spoof you really have to lol…mutter mutter…“do your job”)
I was looking at what’s on the last page of the forum and found this. I think it’s OK to bump this if I have a meaningful post:
No, Cain does not equal “safety” by any stretch of the imagination. She wasted the lives of her crew in a suicidal war that was reducing her fighting force by half in every attack. The war could not be won, and by continuing the fight and executing the civilians she was giving the Cylons what they wanted- the extermination of humanity.
She’s an incredibly poor tactical thinker- executing an experienced officer because he would not carry out her orders (and it was the kind of order she had promised her staff she would not give in the dinner scene) when there aren’t that many willing to line up. She could have at least taken him to the brig. Not taking the civilians along- you can’t tell me there’s NOTHING that they could have contributed- if Cain insisted on continuing the fight, there were kids they could use as conscripts for the next generation of fighters.
If things had kept up, it’s very clear at the rate they were going Pegasus would have been destroyed. And it was shown she didn’t care about Galactica’s civilian fleet.
I don’t really buy into the whole “Cain and Zarek weren’t villains” as Richard Hatch has said. People think the word "villain’= a 2-dimensional character A long running show with subtle writing can make villains likable and intriguing, and they’re not going to be twirling their mustache throughout.
- Zarek blew up a government building. That’s pre-meditated multiple murder.
- In his first appearance, when the fleet desperately needed a new water supply, he impeded the process of getting volunteers by staging that rebellion that was intended to cause a massacre that would make Roslin and Adama look bad. Let’s not forget he defended a prisoner who tried to rape Cally.
- It was Zarek’s idea for Baltar to call for a settlement on New Caprica so Baltar would win the election, yet he later had the gall to accuse Roslin and Adama of stringing the fleet along with the promise of Earth. He didn’t even have the excuse of not knowing what New Caprica was like.
- Despite how some percieved him as a “power to the people” type, he was very happy to do away with fair trials for collaborators. By determining their guilt before they even grabbed them, how many Gaetas did they airlock as opposed to Jammers?
- Thought Baltar should not get a trial. Dictators do that.
- He seemed to be behind the assassination attempt on Roslin in “Bastille Day.”
- In the episode with the tylium ship, the GWC’ers were like “Adama had Zarek arrested just because he could.” Well, there is the fact that Zarek sent away the fleet’s source of fuel which enables them to continue to run from the Cylons who are trying to kill them. So I think “Endangering humanity” is a valid charge.
Frankly, with Zarek’s history as a short-sighted, murdering fanatic, Adama and Roslin were absolutely right to keep him out of power- they’re not on some planet where term limits can be enforced, where the survival of the human race is not in the leaders’ hands, etc. He could easily seize power, purge his rivals, declare himself absolute dictator and make a mistake that wipes out the fleet.
So to sum up: Cain and Zarek were evil in a real way, not in a cartoonish way, and that kind of subtlety of writing and performance is rare for a sci-fi show- so rare that I think some people miss it.
I’ve always thought of Cain to be a great leader when you’re in a war. She’s a warrior - ruthless and strong, and always have her eye on her goal: to keep on fighting, and to win. She’s a great leader if they’re in attack mode.
The problem with that in their situation is that they’re not particularly looking to WIN at the time. The war was done, they LOST. Adama’s objective was to find Earth (at the time), or SURVIVAL of the human race first, then fighting second. I realize that the two objectives do kind of go hand in hand, but Cain was so adamant about facing head to head with the cylons and going down in flames, civilian fleet be damned; she has no concern for survival at all, she just wants to make sure the fleet can kill as many enemies as she can before she dies.
I do wonder if Cain would be a different person or leader had she not been afloating in space for what a year or two, thinking her ship was the sole survivor and being the leader of the entire race. That ought to mess with your mind a bit, when survival was pretty much out of the question. I suppose her only way to keep on going was to be in attack mode, and to only think of that instead of the fact that there’s pretty much no way for this one singular ship to survive. Sometimes, I wonder if Adama would have been like her if he didn’t have Roslin and the rest of the fleet at the beginning to remind him of trying to survive.
But anyway, yes, I do think the fleet is safer without Kane, since survival was never a part of Cain’s objective to begin with.
Cain had no real loyalty to her crew.
Her entire life and interior life was about justifying the guilt she felt over leaving her little sister behind. I don’t blame her, she was a terrified child herself at the time. But Cain blames herself, and can never forgive it or forget. That’s why the concept of being a “razor” is a comfort to her. Be hard, be ruthless, do what you have to to survive, even those acts that repel you. It leads to interior death and no one could really be safe with Cain. She would sacrifice anyone.