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With what we see with next weeks ep. Of the two top Conspirators which one do you think will catch a bullet first. Zarek or Felix? Personally I want Starbuck to say “Hiya Felix, Bye Felix.” Oh for wishful thinking.
What do you all say?
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I suspect Gaeta is going to put himself in harm’s way before Zarek does.
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That’s what I was thinking to. Zarek may be trying to be a patriot or something. What he is though is a survivor. Gaeta again is the helpful idiot with a lil bit of power and influence. Always a troubling combination. That is until he comes to realize just how powerless he really is. While he is looking down the barrels of Kara pistols.
I’m having this repetitive vision of Gaeta flying out of the airlock, a la Leoben. Foreshadowing or wishful thinking?
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As long as Starbuck gets to kick his sorrybarb first… 
Hey orionpax 
I may get flamed for this. But personally after 4X12; I want Roslin and Adama to each get one between the eyes. Stupid head fascists
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NB, you should go to the Who’s the Biggest Douche in the Fleet? Thread. I could use some help defending Gaeta other there.
Zarek will die, but Gaeta will get to have a trial, which he will lie at, obviously.
But he’ll get off cause Romo will defend him and then he will go lead the cult of Gaeta, full of hot guys and a few 8’s.
Zarek is no Martyr. Gaeta gets it. I personally think it will be some kind of revenge move where he shoots Anders and Kara caps him or vice versa.
Just under 6 hours of show left, then we’ll all have to post on re-watches and wait for Caprica. Please lords of kobol don’t let Caprica be like the Bionic Woman.
No fair since Gaeta can’t kick back!
No, I hope that Gaeta lives long enough not to die hopeless. I don’t think Zarek will die, because he’s too much of a conniving survivor, but I do want to see Gaeta make it for a little while longer.
I bet neither get’s shot. The guilty don’t pay… this is BSG!
Sure he can.
Just, not well.
Wow- I’m surprised I’m the first one to say this. Zarek is TOTALLY a martyr. Who’s the one who went to detention rather than cooperate with the Cylons, and who’s the one who stayed out and played inside man? Zarek won’t take a bullet to save Felix, no. But he will blow himself and a lot of other people up to make his political statement. My prediction is that he’ll pilot Colonial One into the basestar or something.
I think they’re going to manage to get Gaeta into the brig somehow, and he’ll be sentenced to execution. Whether or not Adama will manage to go through with it, I’m not sure. But I’m willing to bet Gaeta actually outlives Zarek.
Oh ho ho! Do not take Zarek’s detention for anything than what it was. Zarek was a political prisoner before the holocaust. He had blown up buildings as political statments. (say what you will about that) The cylons are not fools. The last thing they want running around is someone who is familiar with political resistence movements waiting in the wings. He was locked up because of who he was, not what he wouldn’t do.
Well, he told Laura that he told Baltar he wouldn’t cooperate. Honestly, I have no reason to disbelieve him. And I think that’s part of the reason he went after the collaborators as ruthlessly as he did- he went to detention rather than collaborate, and they should have, too.
I don’t think Zarek would sacrifice himself for an individual. But I completely believe he would sacrifice himself for his ideals. I think he truly believes what he preaches. I do think he’s got a certain corruption to him, but I don’t think it’s for personal gain. Yes, he wants power. But what Adama said about his reputation is true- Tom thinks of himself as a man of conscience, a political martyr. I can’t believe he’d accept bribes for personal gain, but I can completely believe that he’d trade favors to further his agenda.
And I can completely believe he’d blow things up- including himself- to get what he’s after.
However, I realize I have a nasty tendency to neglect Black Market in my view of Zarek. 
This is partly because I think Zarek is a much more interesting character as a man who firmly believes in his ideals and will use any means to achieve them, and partly because I neglect Black Market in EVERYTHING, because I hate the episode Mature of me, I know.
Failing that, however, if it came down to both Gaeta and Zarek were left alive, and Adama and Roslin were in the position of choosing which one of them was to live, I can’t believe they’d ignore all the good that Felix has done for the Fleet. I can make a case for Adama and Roslin sparing Felix much more easily than I can make one for them sparing Zarek.
I’m sticking with the theory of figuring out what would be the worst possible fate for a character and guessing that that’s what’s going to happen, because that seems to be how BSG rolls.
The worst possible thing that could happen to Zarek is for him to be killed in some way that doesn’t lead to martyrdom. Being a political prisoner didn’t stop him before, so it wouldn’t stop him again, and the best way for Zarek to go in Zarek’s mind is to die for his cause. So, I’m going to go out on a limb and say Zarek dies soon at the hands of someone on his side of the mutiny.
The worst possible thing that could happen to Gaeta is for him to figure out he screwed up by throwing in with Zarek and then have to stew in that guilt for awhile. Watching his ideals crumble has always been really painful for Gaeta, far more painful than dying with the belief that he was doing something right and noble. I think 1) the mutiny will cause the death of somebody relatively innocent that will make Gaeta feel really guilty (Hoshi? 
), 2) Gaeta will at some point see Zarek in a different light and become disillusioned (and we all know what happens when Gaeta is disillusioned–hide your writing utensils, Tom!), and 3) he’ll do something to try to stop the mutiny that definitely won’t exonerate him but will at least give Adama pause about just summarily executing him. So, I’ll guess Gaeta will live, be in prison/put on trial, and be forced to live with his guilt, tinged with some little bit of ambiguous redemption.
Honestly, I believe him as well. I also believe he would have ended up there anyway because of his history.
I don’t think Gaeta’s coming back from this one. He’s gone a bit crazy. With the amputation of his leg (by a cylon) he’s through the looking glass and the only answer for his character is death by cylon (martyrdom), death by Adama (Martyrdom to some), or some kamikaze act that takes out the basestar, or worse the Galactica. My only question is how many more humans are going to die in Zarek’s coup? cadavera vero innumera.
I do too. In fact, spouse has never seen that episode, because I refuse to watch it again.
This is something that I can understand rationally, but from having met/interviewed/read the experience of people who were politically detained/disappeared/tortured etc, I was surprised that those who went through that experience were much more forgiving of “collaborators” than were people who had not had to endure that kind of suffering. Here by collaborators I mean people who were detained/tortured and then turned to work for the detainers and torturers in return for no longer being tortured, saving a family member, etc. In some ways I was very surprised by the attitudes towards collaborators after New Caprica because it wasn’t in tune with the things I’ve read about those situations. However, if we think of the people who collaborated on NC, I don’t think we have proof of a torture victim turning to work with the cylons (or if there was, surely there must have been? then they weren’t one of our characters).
Wow, that’s really fascinating. I guess of all the “collaborators” we viewers got the chance to follow, Ellen Tigh is the only one who falls into that category, since she did what she did to save her husband. The others we saw, Baltar, Jammer, and Gaeta, chose to stay on the inside of the government for more abstract reasons, or at least in Baltar’s case, for relatively selfish reasons.