Matrix: Revolutions Re-Watch


Why, Mr. Anderson? Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you’re fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson. Vagaries of perception.
Friends, Romans, Watercooleans…lend me your earbuds. This is the third in the four part rewatch covering the Matrix trilogy and Animatrix. If you have not seen this in a few years be sure to give it a watch prior to the podcast as Chuck, Sean and Audra are sure to open your eyes to aspects and layers you may have missed the first time around.

FYI, next week’s podcast will cover the Animatrix and wrap up the Matrix discussion.

Watercooleans…??? I like it!

Sorry I’ve been kinda quiet of late - been a bit busy at the work area and crap. I’ll call in later.

That being said, I do knwop some of the haters of this one, and I can kinda understand it. You go in expecting one movie and you run into another. Butr I Have ot say that the 'casts and the discussion on the board really makes for compelling arguements for destiny, fate, choice and what love really is.

…aaaand there’s Monica bellucci in the rubber cleavage dress…which would take us to the gutter thread. giggedy! :smiley:

I’ve never been big on the matrix but I still think this movie has some good scenes. If the fight’s in the matrix are a “way of talking” then what were neo and smith saying in the ending fight?

I didn’t really comment on reloaded cause i didn’t like it much(or at all) , but revolutions was a good third movie, i Liked the change in the fighting style in the matrix, less dancing and more actual fighting. the comment about love being a word but its the connection that it implies is another small revelation, for me. and probably the most thought provoking idea in the matrix trilogy. Need i mention the hand of god, taking down Zion. i mean it was just an incredible sequence from beginning to end. The end while a little out there was still fitting. with neo being Jesus’ish and all.

A very good ending to the story.

I love the way this movie ends - Neo and Trinity giving their lives and being together until the very end. Not a happy-go-lucky ending, obviously, and dark, but true to that universe…on the other hand, I still really have no idea how they could make it work (and not in the Tim Gunn kind of way).

What an amazing end…I still only half-undersntand the trainman scene, and I cant wait for Rev. Sean’s insight.

I love the big showdown at the end. I heard a lot of people talk down on it, but it surpassed my expectations. What the hell ever happened to Neo’s body though? It didn’t get…recycled…did it?

I think Morpheus’s quest for Neo’s body is a big story in the ongoing story, in the video game.

Maybe they’d have been able to defend Zion better if they had a little bit of protective eyewear

For me anyway - and of course I can’t really talk about this without spoilers.

The third movie is broken in to three fairly distinct sections.

The opening bit where Morpheus and Trinity Rescue Neo from The Merovingian, take him to meet the Oracle and get confirmation of Agent Smith’s growing power and danger - this section ends with Trinity and Neo taking off for the Source, and the rest of the cast going down to Zion.

The Middle Bit is around 40 minutes long, but seems longer, and concerns the defense of Zion, showing what Morpheus, the Kid, Captain Mifune, and others are doing to defend Zion. This sequence ends with assuance that they will all die soon unless Neo does his thing.

Then the closing bit, with Neo and Trinity making it to the source, Trinity dying, Neo facing down Mr. Smith and the conclusion.

The key problem is that when you think about it they spend 40 minutes of the movie on the Defense of Zion - which they pretty specifically tell us is a lost cause. Zion is doomed unless Neo can save them. So no matter how valiantly Captain Mifune dies or the Kid rises to the occasion, it is all irrelevant to the over arching story. It just fills time. And since i found the action in this sequence dull and since it focuses on some of the less compelling characters, it just ruins the pace of the movie for me.

When we get back to Neo my attitude isn’t “Gosh I hope Neo can save all those heroic people.” My attitude is “Thank Goodness we are back to the storyline that actually matters and is interesting.”

Contrast it to Return of the Jedi or The Phantom Menace. Both end with a similar structure where you have a space battle, a land battle, and a personal battle by our main hero (or Heroes). Here in the Matrix Revolutions you have a land/space battle and a personal battle by neo. But in both the Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi you clearly know why all three battles matter you are invested in all three. In Matrix Revolutions we are shown two battles, one of which matters and one of which ultimately doesn’t.

Anyway just my two cents - I should say I really liked Reloaded (and the first third of Revolutions for that matter) as a great second act. I think had they cut back the invasion of Zion, made what was happening in the third bit a little more explicit, than it would have been seen in a better light.

Sorry I 'm late getting this week’s Frak Party thread up.

Like always, the party starts Sunday at 4 P.M (EST).

A thought that’s been percolating in the back of my brain for a while now with various stories of “the one” including this one. It finally really coalesced while watching this. It seems to me the same thing is said in each of these types of stories, a savior is prohesied yet that savior never does what people think they will. Yet, people will take what they actually did & morph it into something else. For me that’s a pretty powerful observation on religion, but more importantly, the human condition as a whole.

Anyone on?

So… it’s 4 PM, I just started the movie… anybody out there?

I’m here and I’ve started as well.

Do I have to start talking to myself? :stuck_out_tongue:

3 person frak parties are slightly less awkward than 2 person ones :wink:

Better than 1. (Sorry about last weekend again)

where are you guys

love - it is the connection the word implies.

that’s a nice little gem that i missed the one other time i’ve seen this movie.

And is it bad that the name “Kamala” just makes me look around for Laura Roslin? :wink:

yay! we’ve reached teh 3 person threshold.

They’re jumping over subway turnstiles

And edited to add: sorry if I’m not very “helpful” to watch this movie, as I mentioned I’ve only seen it once and I don’t recall very much, so yeah… patience is key.