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#141

The whole Quarians/Geth choice was kinda predictable, but I thought with the Reapers ALREADY attacking other races, it would be easier to convince the Quarians and the Geth to stop attacking each other and focus on the Reapers. It would be like England and France being at war when Hitler is already invading Poland. When you get to the point where you make the decision between the two, you’ve already done favors for both sides, I would think that they would be more willing to listen. I had a ME2 character imported, and up to that point had maxed-out reputation, but still didn’t get the option to save both races.

Also, with the way they introduced Kai Leng and the way the Illusive Man was involved in the story, I was completely expecting the story to involve either of them joining your party at some point. I was a bit let down that there was no option to convince either of them to join you, it seems like that would have been a very Mass Effecty thing to do but hasn’t been done in the series up to this point.

I don’t mind the kid/Catalyst either, but the whole Normandy-fleeing-a-random-explosion scene was so nonsensical that it ruined the ending for me. It’s like they paid so much attention to detail in the plot for the whole game except for the last 3 minutes. I would have been able to swallow the bittersweet ending that the mass relays were destroyed, if they actually showed the REAL aftermath of what would happen after an event like that. Show cutscenes of the fleets reeling after the huge battle, the characters looking for Sheperd’s body in the wreckage of the Citadel, deactivated Reapers falling into Earth’s fried atmosphere…even though that ending is still a bit depressing, at least the cutscenes show what would really happen in such a situation, instead of showing the Normandy flying away from a random explosion with random crewmembers aboard who were stranded on Earth the last time we saw them.

#142

You know, that would have been a pretty cool ending. Having the final battle be Shepard, Anderson, and TIM against some kind of Reaper/Catalyst hybrid.

#143

Yeah, I really expected an ending that more involved the rest of your crew, and where was the huge boss fight? Considering how ME2 ended with Shepard having to pick squadmembers for different tasks based on their specialty, I really thought the endgame of this was going to involve somehow choosing which War Assets and crewmembers to put on different tasks. Like the whole usage of the terms “War Terminal” and “War Assets” implies that there’s going to be some gargantuan battle, and to top ME2’s ending, ME3 should have you making decisions for an entire race’s military against the Reapers…but instead I get a cutscene of the Normandy fleeing a random explosion. Come on, Bioware, that’s like missing a winning 20-yard kick in the Super Bowl. I just expected more.

Also noted this post in the Bioware blog:
http://blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/

It’s not even like I have anything against the ending in regards to its artistic integrity, the ending scenes just don’t make sense in terms of the plot. It reminds me of the situation in the movie “Elf” where James Woods’ character tells his publisher to simply ship the kid’s book about the lost puppy even though the last 2 pages are missing.

#144

Yeah. I can barely listen to the “Leaving Earth” theme (the song playing as you leave Anderson behind and flee Earth, and again when you make your “choice” at the end). Such a beautifully sad song.

#145

You have to do a bunch of specific stuff to get that option. Like do all tr missions on Rannoch, save the admiral, not have Tali be exiled, and something else

#146

You have to have activated Legion in ME2 and done his loyalty mission. The guide for ME3 is confusing on what choice you were supposed to have made on Legion’s loyalty mission so it may work with either one. The guide says you have to have destroyed the Heretics in ME2 but I managed to do it with rewriting the Heretics so it may work both way because I haven’t tried it with a Shep that destroyed them yet and my current Shep had Legion die on the suicide mission so I have to pick a side this time around.

#147

YES! I know exactly what you mean. The other good track is “An End Once And For All”…le sigh. :frowning:

Kudos to the Bioware team for snagging Clint Mansell for those tracks!

#148

I’m glad to hear that there’s a new ending coming. I wasn’t furious like a lot of people, but I was disapointed. The first 95% of the game was epic but the ending left me bewildered. I wonder how much this DLC will cost. The cynical part of me thinks that this is a bit of cash grab. Although I’ve heard the uber-paranoid say that the ending was intentionally bad so that they could release premimum DLC.

#149

Well according to the Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 the endings we got were actually the planned endings they just cut out a lot of Shepard’s conversation with the Starchild from the final version. But like you I wasn’t furious about the ending either because the way I looked at it is the game is in an RPG and I already headcanon enough where my Shep is concerned with the story why not do the same thing for the ending. There was no way I was going to let a 5-10 minute part of the game ruin the game or the trilogy for me like I saw many fans saying over on the BSN.

I don’t know if they will charge for the ending content they are working on or not, but I am interested to see exactly what it will be. I know they have a couple of people wading through threads over at the BSN to see what fans wanted from the ending. It will be interesting to see if they give us an alternate ending that consists of what fans wanted or if they give us the stuff from the ending that was cutout or both. I would like it to be possible for Shepard to get a somewhat happy ending that doesn’t screw over the entire galaxy. I would also love to see that bizarre scene with the Normandy go because no matter how many times I’ve seen it, it still makes no sense.

#150

I am annoyed with the conclusion of rannoch. The mission itself was pretty fun though, it was pretty nifty fighting a reaper.

First, I totally ran ahead and missed the save point you warned me about - I expected a longer mission and didn’t think it was at that point already - though luckily I saved a little earlier, so at least I didn’t have to redo the entire thing to see what happens if I picked the other.

Not that it mattered either way. WTF, Legion dies either way? WUT. I’m so upset! I’m assuming it has something to do with Tali being exiled on my save, and so I can’t broker peace or whatever, but still, it’s really annoying. I don’t even understand it. Why can’t the generals just cease fire? The geths won’t defend themselves if the quarians don’t attack (since they didn’t in some previous war), everyone will live, I get double the war assets, and tali wouldn’t have to throw herself off the cliff in that dramatic annoying fashion.

But anyway, so I did the other option, because seeing Tali die was heartbreaking, but the dialogue from the quarians when shepard saves them instead of the geths were so obnoxious they just made me angry for saving them. And it was painful watching Legion get killed by Tali.

Now I’m just upset and not sure which save to continue from. They’re similar enough in terms of war assets it doesn’t really matter either way; of course with the quarians I get Tali as a squad member and that’s good, but I’m leaning towards my initial geth save since that is and was my choice, but I feel like everyone on the normandy’s gonna be yelling at me for days on this decision, and I’m annoyed we don’t get Legion as a squad mate.

#151

I was able to get them to work together, but Legion “died” that way too. You actually get some extra bonus there, since the Geth start helping the Quarians reacclimate to living on a planet more quickly.

#152

Yes. Some (haven’t checked BSN or Wikia yet) character deaths can be avoided solely depending on past major actions in ME2. Wikia says Legion can’t be saved. That’s what they initially said about Mordin though. I don’t know if Shepard’s rescuing abilities improve when playing as a new ME3 character. It is often possible to save people by reputation score alone. But in at least two cases, you must use the Renegade option. [spoiler]Kelly Chambers is one[/spoiler]

Another interesting less-than-interactive game design decision. These are huge pay offs story wise for all three games as a whole, but do they serve to make ME3 a good standalone game?

#153

IMO there are way too many payoff from other games in the ME3 for it to really be a good starting point in the series for anyone. I’ll give them ME2 since they made that interactive comic that sums up ME1 but ME3 doesn’t have that and a lot of the payoffs in the main story line carryover from the first freaking game and some of the characters and places you go in side quests are from the bloody books which really tells me ME3 is really a game for the fan who has played games in the series before. Jumping into the series in 3 doesn’t make a lot of sense especially with the automatic choices the game makes for you from the previous games.

#154

I hate you. :smiley: . I thought I was ok with my choice, but then I realized how annoyed I was losing Tali and Legion (and the Quarians) because I blew through the next 2 or 3 missions and I don’t really remember what happened. Usually I’m walking all over the map, making sure I pick up items and whatnots, or overthinking too much on how to get past the enemies, or contemplating too long on a dialogue option, but here I blew through the banshees and nemesis and phantoms like they were nothing (which sort of shocked me. Turns out I play way better when I just let loose and ignore things :D) and just went straight from objective to objective. I like the backstory behind why Asaris are more technologically more advanced, but then Thessia’s done, and now I’m doubly devastated. It’s a one-two gut puncher here. Sigh. My emotions.

It was kind of cute seeing Garrus try and cheer me up though.

Wikia says Legion can’t be saved. That’s what they initially said about Mordin though.

Oh, so Legion dies even if I did everything “right” in ME2? Huh. I assume Mordin would live if you pick to sabotage the cure and side with the Salarians instead of the Krogans, but you’ll lose the Krogan support, and wouldn’t Wrex/Grunt die? (and who would pick that…honestly speaking)?

#155

Lots of stars have to align for that one, namely, Wrex has to have died in your ME1 save.

#156

There are two Bad Mordin variations. Not Bad in a fun way, like the Renegade option to shove the guy through the skyscraper window that one time. Instead, imagine that Kirk saves Edith Keeler in The City on the Edge of Forever. Some things are regrettably not meant to be.

But witnessing Shepard throw his gun away in self-disgust, in reaction to your decision, is not to be missed. I don’t think he/she has ever done that before? Catch it on YouTube sometime.

#157

Mordin will live if Wrex is dead, you sabotage the cure, and you talk him down.

#158

Is anyone else playing multiplayer? I’m finding it a blast even though I suck at FPS.

#159

I haven’t yet though I want to try it. I almost never play multiplayer any more but I love Mass Effect SO MUCH :slight_smile:

Also, I’d like to try this whole “not using the power wheel to pause combat every half second” thing :smiley:

#160

I got creamed the first time I did that, the menu came up and I didn’t realize that the game hadn’t paused. Oops.