This is improbable at this late juncture, but what if the FF we know weren’t the only copies?
Yep. Baltar may be a villian in the classic sense of the term, but Cavil is evil.
All of which puts into light a question others have noted, but not I. So, how did all of the FF manage to survive the attack on the Colonies? Or better stated, how did something so implausible occur? Or are we to believe that, while Tigh and Tyrol survived because they were on Galactica, one or more of the other three could have been killed (we don’t necessarily know whether Tory was on a ship or not - right?) and then resurrected by Cavil - once again with their real memories “erased”? (That seems to be a stretch too.)
If all the FF survived the initial days of the attack, then we either have yet one more plot device or some “other agent” who saw to it that that happened. Right down to knowing that as the cycle wound around, Bill Adama’s ship would survive. (Big fleet - yet 2 of the FF are on the same ship? And none are on any other?)
If we get any more frakking Cylons in the fleet I’m going to scream.
I’m right there with you - including if Starbuck is half Cylon.
I’m getting more and more pissed off that Cavil seems to have all the power of a Master Puppeteer and everyone else is at his mercy. It’s just not believable.
Interesting, I like it. Though at this point, it would make my brain break.
Ok, can’t wait to see what happens next.
I think
It is probably a plot device, but we could see the series as Cavil’s Plot to Torture and Teach a Lesson to the FF, as well as Humanity (Insert moustachio-twisting Cavil here, sepia-toned)
I feel bad for Hera. She’s like a little obsessed weirdo. She thinks constantly of sixes and draws out the tonal code with the face of sixes. She’s like the kid from Close Encounters but with less lines.
I need to point out the obvious; Adama goes down with the ship. Any good admiral would.
Unless Cavil is the one who has used Kara from the beginning there must be a fifth player. Right now we have
- Rebel Skin jobs (sixes, eights etc…)
- Cavil’s group
- Humans
- Final Five
- ??? Daniel
P.S. What happens when the Final Five hear the tonal code again? Is more awakened in them? Do they go apeshit and tear the place apart? Do they start line dancing?
I sincerely hope it doesn’t end up being all about Cavil.
In 2005 I committed to this show as BSG.
I did NOT sign on for Cavilstar Galactica!
Cavil = Lore and has been done before
We should see exciting fighting galore
before the show should adjourn
before the final gavel strikes
and the show we must mourn
I think you’ll be OK. But Cavil has a good dose of Milton’s Satan in him. And that makes him pivotal. He and his forces prevail - the cycle continues. They are defeated and it does not. Except that in the latter situation, what the survivors are left with is very harsh.
Here’s a question RP - are you and I (and the rest of the GWF’ers) in the midst of just one more cycle or are we the beneficiaries of the cycle having been broken. If the latter, what does that say about the theory that there has to be a “joining” of humans and Cylons for the cycle to be broken.
That this theory is wrong (the OT cycle is broken by “species” agreeing to go their separate ways theory that we have discussed) or that you and I are hylons with resurrection technology never having been redeveloped (at least not yet).
So say we all.
and I gotta have a place to put it! 
Even though it contradicts my previous posts.
This may turn into Why BSG Happened, but I am going to try to confine it to The Plan.
It seems to me that, while ret-conned, The Plan redefines Why BSG Happened.
Cavil was the first, he was Number One, made in the image of Ellen’s father. (That’s right, he was made in the image of the Father.) Number One’s name was her father’s name, John Cavil. Number One resented this because he wanted to be loved above all others, but Ellen and the rest of the Five seemed to care for humanity more. So there he was in an old body, when the others were young and beautiful, with someone else’s name, yearning to be loved above all others (for he must be loved the least, for the others seemed to have the advantages of youth he would never have.), learning maybe he could be loved if he could be more than an ape with prehensile paws.
When Daniel came along he killed him and obliterated his code for all these reasons and that even the other cylons (Yes, “cylon”. “The Cylon” is upcoming.) seemed to love him more, and also the FF.
Number One wanted to be just that, number one. He says it to himself in The Plan before being air-locked. This was the root of The Plan.
He then programmed the other not to think of the Five and sealed off the Five, killing them, if I recall. He made the other cylons his tools, using the facade of democracy to control them. At this time they become The Cylon–with One One to rule them all.
It is all very much Satan-falls-from-grace-in-Heaven in theme and execution.
The Cylon had differences with itself as it came to know humanity so it/they failed to carry out Cavil’s plans despite the programming he put in the (to not think of the FF, but also I think to be as callous as they were–this last would shed a little light on why Six killed the baby: she was testing out what it was to be callous.) This is why they failed, in part–they felt their humanity.
That’s why they voted for the ceasefire, I’m guessing. It is also why Cavil repented in the launch tube. Thereafter we have the Cylon(z). One-who-is-many–pun intended.
As the story moves on the Cylon(z) split even more, but there are some who side with Humanity. Now we return to the Cylon v. Humanity, which, until the very end, is more accurately Cylon v. Cylon(z). They’re all Humanity in the end.
So evil came from Cavil, who is the devil, whose name means to make petty or unncessary objections, not from others, nor was it in the others until he put it there if they were truly machines. After all they are the fallen angels of “god”. This presumes there are others who follow his will and I wonder if they are the Head Characters/Angels. Six was fairly evil all by herself.
In a nutshell the plan was destroy all obstructions to being loved by a figure one could easily call “God.” I’m sure Caprica will give us more on God as things progress.