LOL
People do have DVDs, then there are torrents. They also have the entire series on Hulu.com. If you are a masochist you can even sit through the entire Galactica 1980 series.
I asked, because a few years back I was in the book store at the University of Notre Dame. Not as an alum. Didn’t measure up, despite my superb qualifications as a Cafeteria Catholic. Anyways, in the clothing section there were several TV monitors running “Knute Rockne - All American” on a continuos loop. A sales person told me that it really was done tongue in cheek - but also moved a lot of merchandise. Especially simple grey sweatshirts with the school name - circa 1925.
I am trying to respond to multiple posts since I just read the forum over again.
The temples may have been a way to keep the communication open and that is why they should build one every where they go to specific specs. The early humans may have had the science to know when the star would go nova. The destruction of the temple on earth (or erf) may be the reason the communication stopped.
Brendon The Bible is quite specific about the path that the Hebrews took on their flight from Egypt. But if you ask ten different Bible scholars or archaeologist to point to a map today and show the path the Hebrews followed, you will most likely get ten different answers.
I agree with Brendon historical proof for our own biblical times are very hard to follow. Rivers move and names change. That is on one planet in a specific area. So try to follow a path in the vast distances of space. The constellations change over time so that has always confused me about how they followed them.
Cassiopia You also have to remember that histories, including bibles/korans/insertreligiousbookofyourchoicehere, are written by the winners, and edited throughout the ages to reflect the wants, beliefs, or propaganda of whomever is in power. The losers are maligned, minimized, or forgotten - along with all of their beliefs and technologies and histories.
Cassiopia I could not agree more. There is a point that the Bible (I can not speak to all religious text) was edited by men. What text should be put in and what should not. Most also were oral histories for a great deal of time before written down. (tin cans and string) I could get all religious on you but I just want to remind everyone that we are watching the show with our own religious believes shading what we see.
Sandstorm The existence of a true ‘all-powerful divine being’ is a logical contradiction with a universe with ‘natural laws’. There can be one, or the other, but not both.
Why can’t a divine being create the natural laws?
Here is a question what is the context of the god who’s name is not spoken. I must have missed it on the shows. Please help.
Homework to self. Learn how to do the multiple quotes. Thank you all for the mental challenges and thoughts.
Homework to self. Learn how to do the multiple quotes. Thank you all for the mental challenges and thoughts.
This is with firefox… Click post reply with open page in in new tab, go back to thread tab, quote poster, copy and then paste the quote into new tab reply, in original page click back page to return to thread, rinse and repeat.
I was reading the wiki about the ancient greece Pythia and came across this:
“The other officials associated with the oracle are less well understood. These are the hosioi (“holy ones”) and the prophētai (singular prophētēs). …There were five hosioi, whose responsibilities are unclear, but may have been involved in some way with the operation of the oracle.”
Maybe the FF? This would also kind of go along with the theory we have kicked around here that the FF are in some way connected to the Gods and are “holy”.
While I’ve tried to avoid “numerology” when it comes to “12’s” - it’s pretty clear that the FF and the 5 Priests of the 13th Tribe is no coincidence. Now we have a pretty good lead on where the writers may have come up with “5”.
And they have a possible connection to Pythia (although they left Kobol 400 years before she wrote her scriptures).
I continue to wrestle with whether the FF and the 5 Priests are the “same”. If so, why does the FC remain hidden? And where does their “god” fit into all this. Sometimes I think the FC is that “god”, but then we have 4 Priests. Sometimes I don’t think that.
Sometimes I think I have lost my always tenuous grip on reality because of BSG.
I was thinking the same thing. Something like how the crystal skulls are supposed to work.
Brendon The Bible is quite specific about the path that the Hebrews took on their flight from Egypt. But if you ask ten different Bible scholars or archaeologist to point to a map today and show the path the Hebrews followed, you will most likely get ten different answers.
I agree with Brendon historical proof for our own biblical times are very hard to follow. Rivers move and names change. That is on one planet in a specific area. So try to follow a path in the vast distances of space. The constellations change over time so that has always confused me about how they followed them.
The Lords of Kobol left better guideposts.
Cassiopia You also have to remember that histories, including bibles/korans/insertreligiousbookofyourchoicehere, are written by the winners, and edited throughout the ages to reflect the wants, beliefs, or propaganda of whomever is in power. The losers are maligned, minimized, or forgotten - along with all of their beliefs and technologies and histories.
Cassiopia I could not agree more. There is a point that the Bible (I can not speak to all religious text) was edited by men. What text should be put in and what should not. Most also were oral histories for a great deal of time before written down. (tin cans and string) I could get all religious on you but I just want to remind everyone that we are watching the show with our own religious believes shading what we see.
True, but it should also be pointed out that the religious text in this show are intentional, word-for-word plot points, just the same as the words the characters speak and every event, great and small. Everything is there for a reason – the much-maligned “plan”, perhaps? Even differences between individual writers aren’t going to deviate from “the grand design”. Either it all means something, or it’s all been completely haphazard and futile, in which case we’ve all been wasting our time. I prefer the former.
Homework to self. Learn how to do the multiple quotes. Thank you all for the mental challenges and thoughts.
While I’m at it, if you want to split quotes within the same post:
Put [noparse]
[/noparse] at the beginning of what you want to quote and then [noparse]
[/noparse] at the end. Make sure you have them in pairs (with whatever you’re quoting between them) or the quotes and your replies will go all screwy. Oh, and it’s important to note that the “slash” tag ([noparse][/QUOTE][/noparse]) is always the “end-quote”. For more info, click here.
Interesting. I’m certain the use of the name “Pythia” is not a coincidence. Unless we buy into the “FF were an afterthought” story, it makes sense that they did some research to make it all fit together.
Ok, got a bit more to chew on. “The Pythia (Gr. Πυθία) was the priestess presiding over the Oracle of Apollo at Delphi, located on the slopes of Mount Parnassus.”
Ok, follow me here…
Pythia served the Oracle of Apollo at Delphi:
Starbuck returned to Delphi on Caprica to retrieve the Arrow of Apollo.
“It is often said that the Pythia delivered oracles in a frenzied state induced by vapors rising from the ground, and that she spoke gibberish which priests reshaped into the enigmatic prophecies preserved in Greek literature.”
We know the oracles in the twelve colonies use Kamala to enduce visions just as Laura has. Seems like the same principle here.
One thing to note as well is that Pythia was a title. Many women over the years served as the “Pythia” in actual Greek history.
:eek:
Wow…“Based on legend, the Great Amphictyonic League was founded circa 1100 BC for the protection and administration of the temple of Apollo in Delphi and temple of Demeter in Anthela, near Thermopylae. Contemporary legends claimed that it was founded by Amphictyon, brother of Hellen, the common ancestor of all Hellenes. Representatives of the twelve members met in Thermopylae in spring and in Delphi in autumn.”
The members: The founders were the Aenianes or Oetoeans, the Boeotians (of Thebes), the Dolopes, the Dorians (of Sparta), the Ionians (of Athens), the Locrians, the Magnesians, the Malians, the Perrhoebians, the Phocians, the Pythians (of Delphi), and the Thessalians.
The wiki information is limited on some of these tribes/countries but the Greeks sure had a hang up about the number 12…
Here are some examples for you trivia collectors:
–The Kocatepe mosque in Ankara is a very close copy of the Blue Mosque in Istanbul
–there is a model of the Cathedral of Notre Dame in Vietnam somewhere
–the Cuban capitol building (used for government business from 1929 to 1959) is a loose copy of the design of the US Capitol (irony or ironies, I know)
Interesting discussion, btw. I don’t follow the same thinking in terms of needing to work out the minutia of the oracles and the continuity of the 13th tribe’s journey, but y’all are bringing up some interesting points.
Starbuck also has had a close, personal relationship with Apollo himself. :rolleyes:
“It is often said that the Pythia delivered oracles in a frenzied state induced by vapors rising from the ground, and that she spoke gibberish which priests reshaped into the enigmatic prophecies preserved in Greek literature.”
We know the oracles in the twelve colonies use Kamala to enduce visions just as Laura has. Seems like the same principle here.
And Starbuck was certainly in quite a trance-like state while creating her paintings, drug-induced or not.
One thing to note as well is that Pythia was a title. Many women over the years served as the “Pythia” in actual Greek history.
:eek:
I knew that the historical Pythia was just a title, but I never thought about it in regards to the show. That’s potentially pretty intriguing.
Wow…“Based on legend, the Great Amphictyonic League was founded circa 1100 BC for the protection and administration of the temple of Apollo in Delphi and temple of Demeter in Anthela, near Thermopylae. Contemporary legends claimed that it was founded by Amphictyon, brother of Hellen, the common ancestor of all Hellenes. Representatives of the twelve members met in Thermopylae in spring and in Delphi in autumn.”
The members: The founders were the Aenianes or Oetoeans, the Boeotians (of Thebes), the Dolopes, the Dorians (of Sparta), the Ionians (of Athens), the Locrians, the Magnesians, the Malians, the Perrhoebians, the Phocians, the Pythians (of Delphi), and the Thessalians.
The wiki information is limited on some of these tribes/countries but the Greeks sure had a hang up about the number 12…
That may not be all that significant. Most ancient societies were fascinated by the number twelve. Even today it’s still kind of a “magic” number (members of a jury, eggs, etc.). So it might be arbitrary otherwise.
(ca. 380 – ca. 310 BC) a Greek merchant, geographer and explorer from the Greek colony Massilia
He mapped much of the England. Pytheas is the first person on record to describe the Midnight Sun, the aurora and polar ice, the first to mention the name Britannia and Germanic tribes and the one who introduced the idea of distant “Thule” to the geographic imagination.
Wonder if Pythia is based on this figure. Since Pythia also explored unknown regions and brought back map and directions, as well as stories of babarian tribes.
Cool information! If this Pytheas were the main basis for the conception of Pythia, we’d have another BSG gender change… though I think that Pythia is probably constructed from multiple sources, but I really like the physical exploration that this fellow did, because that doesn’t fit with the oracular tradition we’ve been looking at for clues. And it might point to a possible (and non-divine, Roman Sandstorm! Did you hear that? Maybe it’s not divine!) way that Pythia could have received knowledge of the 13th tribe on Earth.
not only that, This Pytheas dude mentioned a place call Thule (a.k.a Thula, Thyle, Thylee, Thila, and Tila), which was supposed to be 6 days sail from North of Britain. Then historians spent time debating the location of this mythical island or whether or not it was a fabrication.
I’m of the mind that the writings are second hand. Maybe a member of the 13th tribe came back to Kobal and told of his/her travels and Pythia, as an oracle in the temple, was tasked with documenting his/her travels.
