Had Cylons knew about Hera, would New Caprica fail?

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#1

Before the exodus of New Caprica, everyone besides Roslin, Big Adama, Doc Cottle and Tory, thought Athena’s child died.

Judging by Cavil’s actions since the knowledge of Hera’s exisitance made known, he is a lot less inclined to just kill all humans now that Hera exists. Maybe just the fact that he doesn’t want to kill Hera in the process.

Now that resurrection hub has been destroyed, Cavil went to great length to bring Hera back. Perhaps just for study, but it shows how important Hera is to the Cylon race.

In that case, if Roslin didn’t swap Hera for a dead baby, had Athena been on New Caprica with her baby andt he rest of the human population, would the Cylons treat humans differently on New Caprica?

Further more, even if the Cylons were enlightened into the spirit of true cooperation with the human in light of Hera, would it still end in failure, due to violence brought on by excessive anti-cylon sentiment?

#2

I’d say no. The true turning point for the Cylons were the loss of resurrection. That lead to Hera being their sole chance of survival - procreating with the humans. If they could still procreate, I’m not so sure if the rebel cylons wouldn’t have left the fleet already (I mean, they almost did it when they thought they could procreate themselves, with Caprica’s baby. They didn’t really care about Hera too much then.) But now, with that failure, Hera’s back to being the way to the future (Way to the future!), if there are to be any future, and there’s a certain need to protect humans as well as cylons now that that option truly is their only hope of survival as a species.

Hm. When I think about it, it is surprising how much the 2,6,8’s wanted to know the truth about the final five, so much to give up resurrection last season. I wonder how strong the programming to find their ‘parents’ it was - presuming that Cavil tried to at least change those parts of the programming, and still, they went through with that. And now that they’ve found their final fives, it’s not like they’re really helping too much with anything so far. :smiley:

But anyway, yeah. I don’t think New Caprica could really have worked out even if Hera was around with Athena then. The cylons then weren’t at their baby crazy stages (at least, not fully so, except D’anna), so maybe it’s all about timing. :smiley:

#3

That’s incorrect. Adama didn’t find out that Hera was alive until Roslin told him in Season 3’s “Eye of Jupiter”, and that was only after he pushed her after being told by Athena what Boomer said. The only people who knew Hera was still alive was Roslin, Tory and Doc Cottle.

#4

you are right. and that’s what prompted Athena to go back for Hera. I think by the way the Cylons tried very hard raising Hera, the Cylons did value Hera’s existence, even before the Hub was destroyed.

#5

So I wonder what Cavil has in store for Hera. It’s too creepy to contemplate.

Welcome to the forums CB2001.

#6

I agree that it was just after resurrection was destroyed that Cavil took an interest in Hera.
I’m not sure if I’m right here but didn’t D’Anna say something about Cavil wanting to kill Hera when she was on the Basestar? I may be getting confused though. Cavil seems to have wanted to kill everything at one point or another.

From Cavil saying to Hera that she was going to have lots of new playmates soon I figured that he was going to clone(?) her. Basically try to make more copies of her. I’m really not sure how that would work though as you’d have thought he could make more 1-8 models, or at least more 1,4,5 models, if the technology to copy Hera was there.

#7

does anyone else think it may be important that Hera got Sick the last time she was on a cylon ship, and they could not care for her?
could she be made sick by all the cylon tech? or something? and she will have to live among humans to stay healthy?

‘just sayin’

#8

Thanks, NothingButtheRain.

TBH, I think Cavil is only using Hera to get the Final Five to come to him and force them to recreate the Resurrection technology. Since Nicky turned out to be completely human, and Liam died, Hera is seen as the only way the Cylons can continue to live. Cavil doesn’t want that, to paraphrase Ellen, because he hates being the humanoid he is. As for what Cavil plans to do with Hera after that if the Final Five recreate the technology… If I had to guess, killing her in cold blood isn’t far out of the realm of possibility with him.

#9

I, too, think Cavil wants to replicate Hera. But why the fuss about resurrection if he can?

#10

Cavil must die !! Publicly.

#11

64kCylon- That’s where you’ve misinterpreted the information. Cavil DOESN’T want to replicate Hera. Remember what Ellen said in “Deadlock”?: “It’s too much for him. The thought that the only hope for the Cylon people is this desperate grab for procreation, evolution, all that messy biological trial and error.” And let us not forget Cavil’s rant about all he missed because he was made to be human and not a machine. He only wants to use Hera to get resurrection back. After that, to him, she’s nothing more than a useless dead weight.

#12

Scary thought…

After the Cylons lost Resurrection ability, their only hope of avoiding extinction lies with Hera, which is a example of the potential ability to procreate of the Cylon race.

Cavil himself hates the human body, he hates everything about being human (except for the swirl). First, if all he wants is regain Resurrection, he can simply kill Hera, and the last hope for Cylon procreation. Making re-engineering of resurrection the only way out.

Or, if Cavil doesn’t even want resurrection. What if all he wants is a mechanical body? He could use Hera for experiments…

#13

Cavil is so twisted. He must die soon.