GWC Podcast #173: Harry Potter, Part I

As I’ve argued in the OT forum, the first two books are very short, not to mention that they’re both incredibly quick reads just from the style of the prose. They mention places, characters, and concepts that matter throughout the entire series.

As far as the films go, yeah, Chris Columbus put his stamp on the first two films, though it doesn’t bother me terribly, because the first book especially should be enjoyed as a film by all ages. I don’t consider the series to start off too immature, only to grow acceptable for an adult palate; I think it starts at a certain level of age-appropriateness, and then grows with the reader. For example, my son can read The Sorceror’s Stone as soon as he wants because there’s nothing too terrible in it. There’s some scary stuff in Chamber of Secrets, but I imagine he can hack it not too much thereafter. Beyond that, however, Azkaban is a bit scarier, Goblet gets REAL dark at the end, and the series continues on (though I still think detention with Umbridge is the darkest thing in the series, and that’s in OotP).

I can see wanting to skip the first two films because they’re definitely for kids, especially the very first, which at times makes my jaw hurt it’s so darn saccharine. But Chamber is a big step in the right direction, Azkaban’s yet another (even if I think the wrewolf design was a bit weak), and the series has really hit its stride since then.

Listening to the podcast right now, can’t wait to comment as I hear more!

One small postscript. As someone mentioned, Gryffindor, and Slytherin aren’t terirbly different. The difference as I see it is that Slytherin is a little more centered on a personal ambition, whereas Gryffindor is more about following personal conviction over ambition. Slytherin gets a bad rap because the worst are truly terrible, bu that’s just because that they follow personal ambition to its extreme with their own dark goals in mind (also keeping in mind that many early Death Eaters were schoolmates of Riddle’s, meaning that SLytherin’s were around him, and his influence, more).

I’ve gotten Hufflepuff before on tests, and Gryffindor and Ravenclaw on others, but I read (here, I think) that the Sorting Hat probably factors in its wearer’s preference heavily (hence the Weasleys and, for starters, and possibly Colin Creevey, if I recall correctly). And I have a thirst to learn things that is never quenched, so that really makes me feel like I belong in Ravenclaw.

Incidently, a contender for the most insignificant character in Harry Potter is Anthony Goldstein. A friend of mine is constantly threatening to make a Wizard Rock band around that concept.

In that in that play, exactly how does he blind the horses?

A hoof pick, apparently.

I like to think it was a metaphor, though. :slight_smile:

re: picture, that ain’t a hoof pick

I know I mentioned this elsewhere on the forums… but I got into HP from the books. In fact, before the first movie came out (when I was in college, but we were reading when I was in hs), my whole family passed the books around to read them. It’s just how I am - if possible, I read a book before a film comes out based on it. Anyways, my whole family (parents and siblings) love HP, we’ve all read all the books multiple times. With the later books (4 onward) we would buy multiple copies because we couldn’t figure out who got to read what first. It was awesome. HP accompanied me through the end of high school, college, and the start of grad school.

Thank you for the kind words about the book club! :slight_smile: I would never presume to call it “the Casilda Book Club,” but you all are very sweet.

re: books that get kids to read. I always read voraciously, but I remember when I was in 6th grade Dragonsong was on a booklist and my uncle gave me 2 Darkover books for Christmas that year. I was then hooked on fantasy/sf (though I read it before then - Lloyd Alexander, anyone?). Hero and the Crown is indeed awesome, Sean. Another great book.

just tried it again and its working fine haha idk what the prob was

re: image of the HP world before the movies.

I have to say that I was happy with the casting, but that the feel itself was not at all what I had imagined from the books. Hogwarts itself was much less… home-like? than I had expected. Even in the earlier films, everything was darker (cinematographically, too) than I expected. I got used to it, but when I read I still have my own little visualization of what it all looks like. I guess part of it is that I’m not a huge fan of cloaks :stuck_out_tongue:

I know that the hats looked better in my mind than those weird cones they wore in the Great Hall for sure. Also, the castle in my mind is noticeably bigger than the one in the films.

While the characters look fairly different in the books, I think the actors are fine, seeing as how in film everyone must look at least marginally better than in real life.

#1 casting choice is definitely Maggie Smith as McGonagal.

Gods I hope it wasn’t a metaphor…I am hoping he literally used a hoof pick, because if he didn’t…well…ick.

From what Audra was saying, the whole Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff not focused in the book is something that bothered me until book 7. [SPOILER]The ‘artifacts’ bit was really cool - and I think made it much clearer the relationships between the founders and the houses.[/Spoiler]

Others have already named some important Hufflepuffs (Diggory!) and Ravenclaws (Cho! LUNA!!), but the main rivalry, unfair though it is, would be Gryffindor (Potter-Weasley-Granger) vs. Slytherin (Malfoy-Crabbe-Doyle)

And from the new movie, there are stills!

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Yeah, this pretty fraking funny (I don’t know why, but it is.)

Google seems to think it is.

I have no idea, in any case, despite living in Amish country. :slight_smile:

tsk, tsk So closed-minded. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh yeah, they’ve got loads of those. Do a youtube search for “Potter Puppet Pals” and there goes your evening. (The Yule Ball ones are the best.)

My kids 9-year old friends told us about 'em. I’m so out of touch with what the youngin’s are into these days.

What you do with your hoof pick is your own business.

I totally agree with your break down, UD.
I just started Book 6 - The Half-Blood Prince.
Can’t believe I’ve waited this long. I am so enjoying this!!

I really enjoyed this podcast. It was fun to hear about your favorite characters, how into the HP universe you got and how certain scenes were so visceral for you. I had a similar reaction on my first reading and I also got upset over the scene when Harry had to do lines in book 5. The whole series was just so immersive. I have been re-reading the books with my daughter. Our goal is to finish book 6 just before the movie comes out but this summer has been so busy I don’t think we will make it. We will keep reading though.

Speaking of immersive, did you know that Universal Studios is opening a Wizarding World of Harry Potter area sometime next year? No date has been nailed down as of yet but folks are speculating that it will be around the time of the premier of the first Book 7 movie.
http://www.universalorlando.com/harrypotter/
http://www.wizardingworldharrypotter.com/

Thanks for the heads up about the 80’s Wrock party. I’ll have to find out where and when it is and maybe even attend.

Hey Chuck and many of the folks here - thank you for defending the honor of the Hufflepuffs everywhere.

“that was it! See what you miss if you don’t stay alert.”
I miss a few podcast and don’t check the forum for a bit and then you guys start an arc on one of my favorite pieces of fandom.

Chuck I did love the fact that you are still sliding in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references with your comment about the picking the president and Dumbledore’s test for the Mirror of Erised.

about Battle Chess… I thought I should share this…

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