GWC Podcast #166: Leadup To Terminator Salvation

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#21

I think that there are multiple timelines for Terminator. This one will fall into a certain way that noone expects ( I bet)… I’ll explain

Here are the timelines ( alternate universes) as I see it:

  1. Original timeline: Sarah has a Son ( maybe he has a dad) he grows up, lives thru judgement day to become the soldier/leader. He learns about the machines. Learns the hard way about the Terminators. He learns that time travel has been invented and tht Skynet has sent a robot to kill his mom in the past, He eventualy sends Kyle back to defeat the Terminator ( new seperate Timeline created) I believe that his is Salvation. I don’t think Christian Bale knows has the memories of young John Connor from the other timelines! I think it’s a different timeline.

  2. new timeline where Kyle father’s john and Sarah is waiting for the future and trains John. He grows up and does much as above… except he knows things this time. He does what he does but Skynet sends T-1000 back. He sends T-800. ( new timeline created) to defend himself. Sky net notices no diferance in the timeline and sends t-X back as well to kill other resistance fighters. John is killed and Kate Brewster sends T-800 that killed john to protect him.

3)new timeline T-1000 and T-800 arive and fight, John lives. Dyson killed and Cyberdyne is destoyed- judgment day is averted. New program picked upmy govt. Skynet is in development. T-x and T-800 arive and judgement day happens as we see in the movie. A few years later John gets the Idea to send Derrik back in time. As well as Cameron.

  1. T:SCC universe timeline is established. Now the future that they visit in this shows timeline is on track with this show and not -1 thru three.

  2. T:SCC future unierse. as Cameron and Derrik change the past and John learns new things from them… a seperate alternate timeline is being created.

  3. T:scc alternate created by events in T:SCC season 2 finale.

#22

TSCC showrunner guy said at last year’s Comic Con that the show was a direct sequel to T2 and it’s conitinuity lived separately from T3 and the upcoming Salvation, stating that there’s plenty of room in a franchise based on time travel for separate timelines. Sadly, the show, decidedly hit-or-miss, but I was a fan, is officially canceled. I always took the original meaning of the first film to be that by traveling back in time to kill Sarah Connor and prevent resistance leader John Connor from ever being born, the machines actually caused the creation of John Connor, since his future self sent his own father back to stop the machines, which would be a paradox, which writers love to play with. But I wonder if perhaps Sarah Connor was always going to have a son and name him John, and Reese getting her pregnant while trying to keep her alive altered the timeline so that it happened sooner and he was a much different John Connor from the original that sent him back. This line of thinking leads to the notion that every time anybody time travels the timeline changes, which also applies to the new Star Trek, and leads to endless possibilities. Which is frakkin’ awesome! But I don’t think Salvation takes place in the original timeline, since there are a couple of quotes from the trailers that imply John Connor did know prior to Judgement Day about Skynet and Terminators.

#23

a better written version of my point exactly! bravo!

#24

In answer to Audra’s question about a city in Iowa, that wasn’t just a city but the shipyard where they were building Starfleet ships. However, because there was a WWIII on Earth, who knows where the new cities were built after the old ones were nuked. Why the cadets were there in uniform is a different question altogether. Also, that was a quarry that Jimmy drove into.

As far as Terminator questions, Reese states in the first film that the original infiltrating Terminators had rubber skin which is why they had the dogs to sniff them. They also had laser rifles, if I remember correctly, in the flashback scenes.

#25

But even if the new time live over writes the old time what happens when New Spock doesn’t send Nero and himself back in time?

Oh, wait, I see… My brain IS supposed to hurt…

#26

Also, regarding crossing Terminator with a geneology quests-- Didn’t we already get that in The Da Vinci Code?

#27

There was a Terminator in Da Vinci Code?? NICE!!!

#28

And there was a R2D2 in Star Trek XI

#29

Yeah, this guy:

And he kind of had red eyes too…

#30

SOMEone needs a tan…and to stop flogging themselves

#31

I heard about that also. Has anyone found Artoo yet? I bet it’s really obscure like the Falcon in AotC. Did Nero shoot Artoo at the Enterprise or the Kelvin? Was he floating in space with the wreakage around Vulcan? Is he in the Enterprise engine room or the <<whatever Nero’s ship is called>> engine room? I know I didn’t hear 'im, I got a bunny ear for that.

Isn’t this some breach of nerd protocol? Trekkies vs. Fanboys always ends badly. Next thing ya know Chekov will fall over the Ark of the Covenant on some distant world while being chased by an alien walrus…wait a sec…that’s not a bad idea. jotting down notes

#32

The other thing I thought about regarding Spock and Uhura. Does the ol’ Pointy Eared fellow have a past (or is it future) of having in appropriate relationships with his female protoges? I just watched ST:III this weekend (yes, I know I’m behind on the re-watch) and it seemed that Savak was a little too willing to help Spock through his Pon Faar. He also seemed quite friendly (for a Vulcan) with Valaris in ST:VI. I don’t know, it looks like the Old Dog may have a habit of taking a personal interest in the this female protoges’ well-being. And to think that Kirk was the one with the reputation…

#33

Back in the day – meaning, the times that spawned Star Trek – half the point of being a professor was being able to score with the undergrads. And since all this has happened before, and it all will happen again…

#34

Haven’t seen Artoo in STXI, but ILM did slip the Millenium Falcon into the background of the battle against the Borg cube at the beginning of First Contact. I love this kind of thing.

#35

Star Trek: In the novel, they’re building the Enterprise in Iowa because Iowa is not as populated as the cities are, so if there is an explosion, the damage will not be extensive.

Wolveriene: I live on the Jersey Shore, I saw the film in Toms River(digital screen) and in my hometown of Brick(non-digital). At the digital screen, I saw the “Deadpool” ending and the “Japan” ending at the other.

#36

My theory as to why Nero didn’t try to go and save Romulus is that it was already too late. The brand of time travel used in this movie was different from that in say “Yesterday’s Enterprise” where any past changes immediately propagate forward and update the present accordingly. Old Spock is still around and has all his memories, thus his timeline was not altered. What happens in this film is in a new alternate timeline, not an erasing and rewriting of the original one. If Zach Quinto had his hand cut off, Leonard Nimoy’s wouldn’t suddenly vanish. This is what I believe dictated Nero’s actions. His Romulus, the one he came from was dead and he couldn’t save it in this timeline. All he could do was take it out on old-timeline Spock.

#37

Interesting theory! It makes a lot more sense than the way we were thinking of it.

To all re: the quarry - I didn’t realize, haha- bkitty told me after she learned it from the novelization. You don’t see a lot of quarries around here, and the ones where I grew up were much smaller, so I thought the thing in the movie was a natural canyon. Finally, an explanation! :slight_smile:

Speaking of the novelization, i went to www.audiblepodcast.com/watercooler today and got MY free audiobook download of the Star Trek movie tie-in read by Zachary Quinto! I figure 8 hours is a good deal for zero dollars. Though it’s taking me a little getting used to since Quinto still reminds me a little of Sylar. I’ve been trying to squeeze that out of my brain and replace it with hot Spock.

#38

Are you sure it’s really Quinto and not Sylar?

#39

Good point. From Nero’s (misguided) perspective it was Spock who was responsible for the destruction of Romulus so by killing him he may actually be saving Romulus. In addition, what he is most upset about is losing his beloved wife. If he went to Romulus at this early time point to try to save it 130 years in the future, he runs the risk of negating his and/or his wife’s existence in the new time line. At the very least he could easily make it so they never met…

#40

That is awesome sir!! I knew I wasn’t going crazy - well, more than usual. You rock.