Awesomeness! So what percentage of that was GWCers and loved ones? hehehe
Just got back from seeing Trek. On Mother’s Day we go to the movie of my choice. We all loved it, and my hub and boys aren’t into Trek at all. Had to say that being a mom, and seeing it on M-Day made the opening sequence VERY heart-wrenching- I cried. But wow- what a joy ride. Can’t wait to see it again and listen to the 'cast!
heheh you said “hole”
I can’t say enough how happy I am with this movie. I was wound up for it and it surpassed all my expectations!
Frakkin awesomeness!
also in later books she comes an admiral in charge of Starfleet Intelligence. at first I wondered why…then when I put the communications gig together it fit perfectly.
granted its non-canon, but still pretty sweet
I would add in my comments about Black Holes, but I thought I would put in a link to Phil Platt’s Bad Astronomy web site and review of the new Star Trek, when he discusses the science.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/08/ba-review-star-trek/
Next, I liked the look of everything on the ship, except for the engine room. It didn’t look like an engine room, it looked like a Pepsi bottling plant or a chemical manufacturing plant. It reminded me of the MST3K episode of “Space Mutiny” where they filmed the “Futuristic Spaceship” in a run down abandoned factory. Through every scene in the engine room, I kept thinking to myself: “Time for some railing kills…”
Trailers are taken from early cuts of the film, so there’s often things that never make it into the movie. That was one. (Although, I miss baby Spock. That was just too cute.)
I heard that critique beforehand, but in all honesty it didn’t register unless I thought about it. It looks like a powerplant/engine room/whathaveyou. (And I’ve got Nits of Enormous Size with this movie. That just wasn’t one.)
Ok here is my belief about the new time line. Take it as the word of GAWD!!!
Nero’s ship:
[According to the “official” prequel comic- cannon or not TBD] Nero’s ship was outfitted with Borg Tech as well as some of the best “non military” grade 24th or early 25th century shields, superstructure, and weapons. Superior sensors, transporters, etc, tec.
Kirks family situation:
Kirk shout’s “hey Georgie” to the kid he passes while driving the Corvette.
My belief:
The older brother George (cannon episode Operation:Anialte) was in a boarding school or with relatives as the Kelvin didn’t allow families.
I believe Mrs. Kirk was an officer on the Kelvin. She served up until time to give birth… which happened to be the very hour of the emergency.
After the event she goes home and gets assigned to a home base for a few years and leaves the boys with their uncle or stepdad whenever duty takes her away from earth.
The Timeline.
When the Kelvin comes in contact with Nero’s ship they get a good scan of the ship. They transmit much of the data gathered back to Starfleet OR they have the info on the shuttles, either way this has several effects on history.
1: Romulans look like Vulcans. Now everyone knows it. The cat is out of the bag. The Vulcans probably are forthcoming with all the info they have on them at this time. (Instead of keeping it a state secret as Enterprise episodes tell us in season 4)
2: The Federation now believes that the Romulan Empire has this superior technology that could destroy them all tomorrow. This changes the entire attitude that the federation has towards their deployments, doctrine, and Stratedgic plan.
3. Some of the sensor data is able to be studied to engineer technology for the federation that the Federation didn’t have during TOS. (It is understood in Trek that simply leaving a communicator on a planet can affect their technical track… imagine what sensor data of superior technology can do)
4. The Kelvin incident is a lot like the “q-who” episode of TNG. After the Kelvin the plan of exploration isn’t followed thou with as much. They don’t build the Constitution class ships that we know of (like Commodore April’s) they continue to try to spend their budget on a more advanced ship (like the one we see here. They don’t train officers as much for exploration as much as they are trying to pump out officers like WW2. (Hence 4 years after graduation, one might expect to be a captain)
The idea is pump out hundreds of ships instead of 13 ships. They are scared. They know that Nero’s ship is still out there. They are building a “Peace Keeping Armada” not explorers.
Politically:
This is a different universe now. They are not F’ing around with all the exploration and the conflict…. They have been living scared. They are terrified. They have lost the bulk of their fleet. The Klingons have taken serious losses…. They may or may not know the state of the empire or any other unexplored worlds……
In theory… anything that has ever been established as cannon has been changed as of the Kelvin incident. We could talk at length about anything you could bring up from TOS and I can just answer with “the Kelvin incident changed that," … or “due to breakthroughs that occurred in science due to the Kelvin incident… things evolved differently.
Loved the podcast - great job again.
Saw the movie again today. Can’t rave enough about Chris Pine’s Kirk. Brilliantly played, and he had so much of the original Kirk in his expressions and mannerisms. Wasn’t expecting that. Loved it.
Note: I think the geographical POV on Starfleet Academy’s location in SF is off just slightly in the scene where the Big Driller fire ray thingy hits the Bay… the angle was correct earlier in the movie though.
–Frenchie
Arghh! Between school and two jobs, I don’t have time to see the movie till Thursday night! I guess I’ll be sitting out this podcast…
so Pike, how was it like having James Kirk & Spock working under you?
I would have to disagree with this premise. Essentially all sci-fi archetypes come from & through Star Trek, not the other way around.
Is this the Gutter thread?
I was just happy when Uhura showed up. I heard she was assigned to the Farragut.
I guess when this enterprise meets up with the cloud monster it’s just a 10 min episodes cause Kirk won’t be “obsessed” and will just listen to spock and move on. (What, no laughter??? since he never served on the Faragut now???.. oh well, maybe Pike will get this ref.)
The next movie could just be cleanup of all the TOS and TNG stuff that Spock knows about.
Spock: There’s this cloud monster that drinks blood, don’t bother with the phasers. Someone should find this Redjack thing and laugh at it. Don’t question me on that one. Oh, bring a ton of salt to M-113. Keep the Cortizene away from Bones. Don’t go to Organia. Watch out for the edge of the galaxy. Is Delta Vega not there any more? It was moved to orbit Vulcan? WTF is up with that? And for frak’s sake don’t let mini-me near the Sigma Draconis system. We’ve got to tell the Romulans about the supernova thingy at some point. Are you getting all this? Do I need to write it down?
LMsBO!! Is this too long for a signature? Cause if it isn’t, I call it right now!
I made a joke, during the movie that Old Spock hands 3 sealed letters to Kirk. one has written on the envelope (open in 1 year)
inside it says " The botany bay IS Khan noonian Sing. In the correct history You beam aboard, see his crew in stasis, beam back to the enterprise and destroy the ship useing photon Torpedos" This will set the timeline right.
Envelope 2: Open If the Enterprise EVER time travels to 20th centuary earth.
Hey while you are here, go ahead and get 4-6 couples of humpback whales and bring them back to earth… it’s important! It’s what your supposed to do, trust me
envelope 3: Open in 20 years
When on the maiden flight of the Enterprise B… send Hariman down, he can handle it… the most important thing you can do is take command of the Enterprise B. Lett Harriman get shot in the back by Sauron!!!"
The love triangle between U, S & K does allow us to retcon a different interpretation for the ‘Kiss’. Now we know the REAL reason both had to resist and not look like they were enjoying it was because of the rediculous standards and practices at the time. However, we also know in the framework of the story Kirk would never resist a kiss from a lovely lady. But if Kirk was aware that there had been a relationship in the past between U and S, then I think he would be the admirable wingman try not to go there. And it does make sense, U seems to be more of a brains over brauns type, and thus I can see her having a think for S.
Thanks Audra for reminding us of those scenes from the OS.
Really hope they don’t go the whole love triangle route between the three. I loved the way they seemingly set up Kirk and Uhura with the scene in the bar and then suprised me with her love of the Vulcanator.
The Spock/Kirk friendship is an integral part of the of the franchise and I’m not sure I’d want to see them in shipper tug-of-war. Also, I’d hate to see Uhura’s character get reduced to a plot point between the boys’ relationship.
Just hoping the kiss was the old timeline and they take us someplace fresh.
No, I think the Uhura-Spock romance isn’t going far, and even if they decided to run with it, I think the point was that once Kirk realized that Spock was going to be his best friend and that Spock had feelings for Uhura that ended all possibility of a triangle.
Now if it was Bones and Edith Keeler that would be a wholenother story…