GWC Podcast #161: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

Aw, you noticed. Tanks man!

BTW, I loved the rally behind sci-fi as true literature @ 1:48:00. Huzzah!

Me too. ! I might have kind of have been almost dancing around the kitchen at that point.

Pfaltzgraff Star Trek Dinnerware…

thought that’s called Helo…

The prison sequence definitely inspired the Chronicles of Riddick’s prison sequence or by chance they ended up very similar. Of course they were shot very differently, and with a totally different feel to them.
The Klingon blood sequence reminded me of

//youtu.be/q6HLo7ppwK4

See 1:21 for the goods but stick around to hear some of the funniest one liners ever created. Actually don’t even watch the youtube clip go out , buy The Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers movie, and watch continuously until time stops.

Did you also see Michael Dorn as Kirk’s attorney?(I haven’t listened to the podcast yet fyi) And Becuase you brought it up…

//youtu.be/P_3ECxWjPyc

That is teh Ossim!

Yeah, and they actually call him “Worf” but since it’s one of those un-retconnable things we just agree to overlook it. :slight_smile:

It’s Worf’s grandfather.

Here’s the Wikipedia lowdown on the script/story development. Apparently, Saavik was supposed to take a turn for the worse, but they changed the character to Valeris.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country

The attribution is sketchy, though.

Exactly. The character is clearly called “Colonel Worf,” and (he said in full-on geek mode), his forehead is much less bumpy than the later Worf’s (not even within the normal range of variation of Michael Dorn’s makeup on TNG – I mean, we are clearly dealing with a different Klingon here).

All the same, as cool as I thought it was at the time, it was gratuitous. And, more to the pont, since when the hell do 23rd-century Klingons care about giving anyone, much less a hated alien foe, due process anyway?

A lot of ST VI feels stupid, looking back at this late date. Like, how does it make any sense that Sulu has the coordinates for the peace conference, if they are such a closely guarded secret? Why the hell doesn’t Chekov notice Crewman Dax’s feet on his own – is he that much of a human parochialist? Why does Spock agree to basically mentally rape Valeris? Now we get into arguments about torture and whether it can yield accurate information in extreme circumstances, so I’d better stop… and, yeah, Nimoy and Cattrall play it well enough, you get the sense it’s painful for Spock as well – but, I mean, what the frak? This is the gods-damned Vulcan Mind Meld we’re dealing with, and it took minutes and minutes of exposition to set up its very first use in the original series, “It is an extremely personal thing, yadda, yadda” – and Kirk can now order Spock to use it as an advanced interrogation technique?

What have they done with the real Starfleet?

Ahem.

Sorry. Morning rant over. :slight_smile:

According to Star Trek VI’s credits they list him as Klingon defense attorny but in Star Trek IV there is a Colonel Worf.

I realize we’re several weeks past this podcast… but I felt the need to ask this of the hivemind.

Was it just me, or did it seem like the Enterprise crew was more worried about the Excelsior during the battle with Chang? After Sulu shows up and Chang fires ONE torpedo at the Excelsior, the bridge crew flips out with shocked looks, as if Chang had just fired a nuke at them. Meanwhile, the Enterprise is still getting the craaaaap kicked out of it.

Disproportionate concern perhaps?

well the Enterprise has proved for decades that it can take a beating.

the only thing we know about the Excelsior is that Scotty crippled it by removing 3 very small pieces. that would worry me to.

Well, to be fair, they were probably three pieces no one else would have ever thought to have removed, let alone in tandem. :slight_smile:

ok. good point. he is scotty after all…