GWC Podcast #154: BSG 4.5 Someone To Watch Over Me

I don’t think that the Chief’s abandoned Nicky completely, we’re just not seeing it. Remember that Tyrol said he’d be back to take over for papa hotdog after he’d sobered up. We didn’t see him come back, but I’m certain he did. There’s a whole lot we’re not seeing cause there’s not enough time. For example, we only saw Adama’s reaction to Tigh being a Cylon because the writers felt that would be enough. Just about everyone else in the fleet had a reaction, but they were largely off screen.

Ok I think I got something that is plausible. This is so much fun.

I think we are looking at cause and effect based on the inherent nature of what exactly is an explosion when we should be looking at how an FTL drive works.

Be it explosion or implosion it’s next to imposable to even theorize if it is even possible to create in the vacuum of space. Would be cool if NASA detonated a few sticks in space just to see what would happen. :wink:

Here is what I think happened and explains a lot that works both scientifically as well as science fictionally.

It is know that it is imposable to travel faster than light but both science and fiction supports the idea of warp drive, sub-space travel as well as black or worm holes in space.

The FTL drive, and I’ve not researched, does not function based on the idea of thrust but rather creates it’s own black or wormhole. As we know as fact the gravitational forces are so strong that light cannot even escape.

For a Raptor or any ship to travel by this means they would first have to create an envelop around the ship to protect it from being crushed. Then by quickly opening and closing a hole through space the ship would literally be sucked thorough like a pea through a straw. To protect the surrounding area only what is fit tightly inside the field would be affected by the gravitational force and because of the proximity of Galactica to the Raptor the gravitational force of the hole was literally trying to pull the hull apart.

This would also explain why nothing else was effected as the effect could only occur with in the area of the envelope. No explosion or implosion.

Yeah, I noticed it too. It gave me glorious and wonderful flashbacks.

-Ethan :cool:

Unless NASA included a frak-load of oxygen or chlorine or nitrogen dioxide or some other gas that supports combustion, plus a container to keep it diffusing into space, not to mention contain the explosion enough at first so you get that nice fireball… not much.

Matter of fact, I’ve taken four University physics courses, awake. Why don’t you explain to us the fundamentals of mass and inertia, ‘stead of raggin’ on us? I’d be interested to hear how physics fundamentals interact with physics impossibilities like FTL.

Just a quick thought. I know that others have surmised that Kara is half Cylon and her father Dreilide is actually Daniel on of the 8 Cylon Models. Here is what that means to me. It really moves the series to be a cleaner rap up than many are thinking.

  1. Kara, not Hera is the first Human/Cylon hybrid and therefore has all the powers that entails.

  2. It would explain her addiction alcohol. All the Cylons seem to have it. We’ve seen each one Tigh one on (so to speak) at some point during the series.

  3. It would explaine why Leobien was so facinated with Kara the same way the sixes are facinated with Hera.

  4. It would explain her visions and her connection to her destiny from childbirth. All connections her Father instilled in her.

  5. It would explain why she is capable of projection

I think Hera will lead Cavil and the Cylons to the same planet that Kara and the final five will lead the humans. Lord knows what happens there but I think it will result in the settlement of the Thirteen tribes on another planet which sustains the theory that what has happened will happen again.

Oh, wow- I hadn’t even thought of that. Wasn’t it kind of a milky-looking substance? I’ll have to go back and check, but I bet you’re right about this.

AWEsome. Thanks for the cap. It looks like her “D” near the end might just be a little smudged so it could be mistaken for an “E.”

Bwahaha! Too true!

Haha! Very cool idea, though!

I love how there’s some bluish-green goop of toothpaste around the cap for extra realistic value. :slight_smile:

I wonder if this has anything to do with the “Last Supper” BSG portrait, where Chief is contemplating a very large knife? (Personally I’d rather see him use it on Tory.) :wink:

I’ve been wondering about this, too. I think that Chief is still in the picture with Nicky but we’re just not seeing it since there’s so much else going on. He did say he’d come back when he left Hotdog there next to Nicky’s hospital bed.

I love reading the posts here in the forum–so funny, so touching, and so smart. Couple of thoughts:

  1. Katie just tore up the screen emotionally again for me. I think she’s the emotional center of the show. Although Athena’s anguish, Boomer’s conflicted-evil, and Chief’s utter heartbreak were head-and-shoulders above 99% of the acting on TV today, Katie is in a league all her own as Starbuck. There were a thousand ways to screw up the tone of this episode and her scenes at the piano and she managed to not just avoid these, but really had me completely engrossed in the scene. The real world around me melted away and I was totally in the scene with her. One of the reasons I love this show–I lose myself and my awareness to it.

  2. No Caprica Six here at all. Did this feel strange to anyone? Seeing Saul with the other Tylons drinking at the bar and then with Ellen in the school made me wonder why he was connected with Caprica Six at all. Her pregnancy and loss of the baby forwards her character quite a bit and this may be necessary to get her to a place where she can fulfill her Opera House destiny in the grand circle of BSG, but it seemed a bit cruel not to give viewers some slight “nod of the plot” that Saul is comforting her, ignoring her, etc. I realize we’ve only got so many minutes left in the show and that this may have been left on the cutting room floor along with a reference to the Chief looking in on Nicky. However, several episodes now have pushed the emotional connection between Caprica and Saul that I expected to see something here the week after the loss of the baby.

I think that one needs to consider BSG time as compared to real world time. We wait a week to see what’s next as compared to what might have occurred over a couple of days or even a few hours.

Ya Katie had me. It’s been a long time or have never seen Starbuck with out question truly happy. The whole scene was enough to overlook that hay did Roslin just die.

Absolutely ossim! I really like what you’ve said!

I still embrace the idea of Ellen & Tigh as either parents or grandparents of Starbuck! It all works for me! lol!

Athena was definitely beating Helo’s back for what she witnessed in the bathroom
as well as expressing her grief at Hera’s abduction.

Boomer bad. Very bad. Tory and Boomer in an airlock- WHO’S WITH ME!?

I was stuck in traffic in L.A. today and the following thought bubbled up…

I believe that Ellen (or whomever wrote the code for the cylons) embedded the rule: “No procreation without love” into their software for reproduction as a way of breaking the cycle.

Cylons and humans seem to keep blowing each other up, or themselves up in the history and mythology of the show. Perhaps, as a way to get them to…well…cut that crap out, it was written into the cylon code that natural reproduction would be possible, but only with mutual love. This way, a new generation of cylons would be created, born out of love, and with an understanding of the love between two people.

"When a cylon mommy and a cylon daddy love each other very much, they hug each other real tight and in a special way, and that’s how you were made, junior"

I completely agree with you.
BTW, welcome to the forums BSGinNC.

Indeed, Katie is fantastic. And it was good to see my hero Starbuck in a good place.
Welcome to the forums FrankieV.

Yeah, it seemed like it had been weeks since Deadlock, didn’t it? BSG’s not very clear about how time passes sometimes…I remember being so confused in Season 1 where they finally mentioned that it all took place in a matter of months, because most shows take about a year per season.

Hi,
I’m not sure if this was discussed but when Boomer reveals to the Chief that Cylons have the ability to project thoughts, I thought that perhaps Kara and Hera might have these abilities only more powerful. It could go a long way to explain to “Kara/FF Music link” as well as the “Hera/Opera House Possy”.
Hera could be a “tuning fork” between human and cylon thoughts.

This might be way out there but Cavel might want that technology to figure out how to download…into human hosts. MUHAHAHAHAH!

Huh, that’s really interesting, because there has been this image often used in promos for season 2 as well in the “Hidden Secrets” clues on the web of a human/cylon fetus with a glowing back. The talk of the Opera House between Head Six and Baltar started on Kobol, but that was certainly also after which Hera had been conceived…

Interesting theory but Ellen just does not seem to be the kind of person who would make moral decisions. I don’t even recall if she has any religious convictions at all.

Caveil on the other hand I can see him preventing reproduction as a form of control. After all he wanted to lobotomies the raiders. Also it would better explain why Cylones can not reproduce yet a human and Cylon can. It’s a 1+1=baby thing and a situation Caveil never even consider and is why Harea is so important to him.

I think this theory adds a bit more to the idea is Starbuck a Cylon or not as well as involvement of the others in the opera house.

Just because Starbuck saw a projection of her father does not necessarily mean that she is a Cylon.

Anyone notice that “All Along The Watchtower” in on “the Watchmen” sound track. it’s funny to me.

Well, another day, and we should get some more answers (yah, and probably more questions too). Can’t wait.

the more questions is what I fear. not much time left to answer them all. anyone know more about the movie than wikipedia?

I ascribe to the Firefly theory of the Twelve Colonies–that they were all habitable moons orbiting various planets in a single star system. FTL would still be needed for quick trips, but if you didn’t mind waiting a few weeks, you could just kick back with a deck of cards and travel to the next Colony by sublight. Certainly military ships would have FTL, but in a time of peace, it would be entirely plausible that the Galactica could go twenty years without spooling up, as Tigh claimed she had in the miniseries.

Of course, all those moons probably had different day, month, and year periods, but if one or two of the Colonies were proper, full-sized planets–like, say, Caprica–they might have developed the standard calendar that everyone else followed, seeing as how their larger size, population, and resources probably made them the dominant or majority Colony over the others.