GWC Podcast #103

Florida has a large Hispanic/ Latino populations. They come form Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Mexico. ( I am probably missing a few.) So when I look at a person I have no clue what their background is. I have one student that looks black but has one parent that is white. So as they say look beyond the cover and look at the inside of the book. I was a bit worried since I was not sure the difference between Latino and Hispanic so I looked it up. Wow, I never knew. :eek:

Usage Note: Though often used interchangeably in American English, Hispanic and Latino are not identical terms, and in certain contexts the choice between them can be significant. Hispanic, from the Latin word for “Spain,” has the broader reference, potentially encompassing all Spanish-speaking peoples in both hemispheres and emphasizing the common denominator of language among communities that sometimes have little else in common. Latino—which in Spanish means “Latin” but which as an English word is probably a shortening of the Spanish word latinoamericano—refers more exclusively to persons or communities of Latin American origin. Of the two, only Hispanic can be used in referring to Spain and its history and culture; a native of Spain residing in the United States is a Hispanic, not a Latino, and one cannot substitute Latino in the phrase the Hispanic influence on native Mexican cultures without garbling the meaning. In practice, however, this distinction is of little significance when referring to residents of the United States, most of whom are of Latin American origin and can theoretically be called by either word.*·*A more important distinction concerns the sociopolitical rift that has opened between Latino and Hispanic in American usage. For a certain segment of the Spanish-speaking population, Latino is a term of ethnic pride and Hispanic a label that borders on the offensive. According to this view, Hispanic lacks the authenticity and cultural resonance of Latino, with its Spanish sound and its ability to show the feminine form Latina when used of women. Furthermore, Hispanic—the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agencies—is said to bear the stamp of an Anglo establishment far removed from the concerns of the Spanish-speaking community. While these views are strongly held by some, they are by no means universal, and the division in usage seems as related to geography as it is to politics, with Latino widely preferred in California and Hispanic the more usual term in Florida and Texas. Even in these regions, however, usage is often mixed, and it is not uncommon to find both terms used by the same writer or speaker

Even a slacker like me has to appreciate GWC for broadening my knowledge.

WTG Coolers.

Indeed! Have you heard EJO’s rant about this? In his college tours, he totally addresses this in exactly the same way you just did.

Ultimately I would assume that the point of the Cylon procreation limitation is that it leads them to the point where they understand that without humanity they are mortal and headed inextricably toward extinction. This provides them the impetus to put aside their differences so that they can make both races stronger for the intermingling. I mean if you think about it the number of humans will just continue to dwindle as time goes on the way things have been going. I mean through no fault of anyone, conditions are just not optimal to provide room for the race flourishing.

Just a thought.

This concept also ties in pretty neatly with the idea of the representations of different ethnicities on the show. I can’t say that I’ve really watched that closely the diversity of the actors on the show, but I can say that in this case the idea that the cylons (identical & homogeneous) are forced to mingle with the humans (different and varied) speaks a lot to the idea of diversity in the everyday non-Galactica world. Again it’s all just one way of interpreting things but it’s a poignant message if you wish to see it that way. I could be completely off-base here, but I know this crowd will be the first to let me know.

trillian, thanks for the enlightening information! I am so interested in Canada’s social/ethnic dynamic, and I know virtually nothing about it. I’m sure it’s dependent on region and urban/rural issues, etc. just like it is here in the U.S.

Agreed. I am unsure and doubtful whether the casting in BSG was meant in any way to overtly represent stereotypes of people of color, particularly from the U.S. perspective. But it still matters, and is worth remembering that while most of the actors on the show are Canadian, most of the writers and creators are American and presumably somewhat aware of these stereotypes.

It’s been a while since I watched it, but wasn’t there a scene in Heroes last season where Jessica (the blonde chick) tasered the crap out of a black female therapist? I guess no surprise, again, with the casting, although the tasing is new.

Thanks Glimfeather- we weren’t sure how to go about it or what to expect, but it is a big help to have a little funding to run the wooden ship.

I always remind my students in the ethnic studies classes that every person has a right to his/her opinion regardless of ethnicity. Just because one is white doesn’t mean you have to believe such-and-such, etc. And it should not diminish the value of your ideas.

Agreed! This deserves discussion as well. I’ve read that it’s estimated that roughly 5% of the American population is gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgendered. I don’t know, of course, but assuming the numbers would be comparable in other countries like Canada, that means we should have at least one LGBT character on the show to be fully representative. (Not that full representation is always the point, but hey.)

Yeah, but I’d rather err on the side of sensitivity. If I’m wrong, at least I’m less likely to hurt another person’s feelings.

My gods, casilda, I wish I had written that.

timmers = funny mofo.

IYKWIM!!!

whereis vim, love the Hamlet quote. For a funny version of it, check thisout.

No I have not heard the rant. The simple concept of treating everyone as part of the Human Race seems hard to explain in print. I like learning about all cultures but the word race just turns my stomach. Race has been used as a way to justify such horrible things. A person’s culture or ethnic background is a personal label and personal pride, race if often a label put on by someone else.

ooops I will stop ranting.

I asked a light hearted question some time back but did not get an answer. Lee said Jake’s family could no longer take care of him. I thought they were all killed. This subject will also not bring out my ranting. :slight_smile:

Obviously, more great points (those that precede I mean, not necessarily those that immediately follow). One interesting thing about BSG is that the cylons society now is turning into a cautionary allegory on race and ethnic identity. Early on in the show each model was kind of presented as clones such that each individual processed similar personality traits with others of the same model but were quite different from individuals of other models. However, now it is becoming quite clear that each cylon has the capability of developing their own personal identity. This has been best established with the 6’s and 8’s. But Colonial humans are going to have to learn that you can actually assume very little of the nature of a cylon individual purely based on which model they represent.

Word. I agree. And it’s not the worst problem to have. And at least they have like 20 episodes to stuff all this material into – as opposed to what happened in Carnivale and Rome and Buffy, where they had to wind it all up in like 3-6 episodes. And if they’re in a rush to cram all these Big Happenings in, they must have some extra special goodness in store.

You made a great point. Cylon model and race. That really changes the saying that they all look the same to me.

So, I know it was really craaaaapy of Roslin to pull Baltar’s bandage off, basically intending to let him bleed to death…but I think what really put her over the edge was not so much his morpha-induced confession of his role in the near-destruction of humanity. I think what did it was his justification of his actions, how he no longer feels guilty because his god has shown him that he’s perfect and he’s being used as god’s instrument, like a “flood.” (I would have been tempted to rip that bandage off myself)

Are you kidding?! I woulda piped him!

You’re right, that’s a better and more satisfying choice!
:smiley:

Rant Mode On

I would like remind everyone that this is Galatica Watercooler, not Civil-Rights Watercooler

The whole ‘race in galatica’ rant was really a turn off for me, and If it becomes a regular occurance on future podcasts I might have to reconsider listening to it.

Galatica has gone out of its way to be a diverse show, and yet people are still going on ‘witch hunts’ to find stereotypes and racism. Give it a break and enjoy the freakin’ show! The only thing you accomplish my trying to point out these things is to inflame emotions from people.

And Im sorry for saying this but Audra, please leave your teaching to the classroom (or start a black history podcast).

Yeah, I agree that Simon doesn’t have many lines, but the show doesn’t have the screen time to flesh out every single character. I honestly thought that Colonial One’s pilot was a great character that should have been kept it, but they just have so many characters that they can’t have a good plot and constantly develop every single one.

And one last rant, African American needs to be dropped…All blacks are not African nor American, and all africans are not black…you say you dont like people being lumped into one big group, but using that term sure does go a long ways towards assuming every black person you meet fits a certain group.

End Rant

Nothing beats a good rant. Except maybe Keara’s sex thread.

I would like remind everyone that this is Galatica Watercooler, not Civil-Rights Watercooler
True. But you can’t stop the meandering. Not on the podcast, not on the forum. Just be glad it was a different topic this time and not Mass Effect again. :slight_smile:

Give it a break and enjoy the freakin’ show!
That’s different for everybody and it’s a difficult thing to begin with. I, for one, don’t watch something so that I can turn my mind off and just stare at the TV for an hour. I appreciate an intellectual challenge, especially when it comes wrapped up in a kick-ass scifi show. That also features hot chicks!

The only thing you accomplish my trying to point out these things is to inflame emotions from people.
Which can be a good thing. I wrote a piece of literature myself once and I was absolutely happy about everybody who had an opinion about it, even those that absolutely hated it, because as long as it stirred up some emotions in people and didn’t leave them cold, it had an effect.

And Im sorry for saying this but Audra, please leave your teaching to the classroom (or start a black history podcast).
Again, I absolutely enjoy the intellectual discourse, I wrote some thoughts about nuclear war and 20th century history in another thread yesterday and I loved it, the show, the people on the forum, it’s all a very challenging and rewarding discourse.
I, for one, found Audra’s lecture enlightening, maybe it would have been better from a listener’s viewpoint if she had done without quoting from that book and summarized it in her own words instead, but I totally appreciate the time and effort she put into preparing that little lecture and would like to see more of it, BSG certainly lends itself to a whole variety of academic debate.

AA:

Sorry to have to say this since we’ve always seemed to get along so well in the past, sharing flying experience and all. But here’s the deal:

Audra wasn’t on a “witch hunt.” She just mentioned an interesting issue that the show brought to mind. She wasn’t attacking the show because of the Elosha character – any more than I was attacking the Matrix because of the oracle’s race, gender, and age. We’re both fans of each. We said as much in the 'cast.

Studying, understanding, thinking about, and discussing every bit of information in a piece of art – be it in the case of a TV show the race of a character, a look on someone’s face in a split-second screen cap, an analysis of who gets screen time, or the carefully-transcribed words of a hybrid – helps in the understanding and enjoyment of it. Audra knows this especially since she’s currently working on her dissertation for a doctorate in literature. And I’m incredibly glad she brings her experience to the 'cast, because if it was just me and Sean everyone would miss out on a lot of what makes the 'cast enjoyable.

Also, I feel comfortable speaking for the rest of the crew when I say that Audra will most definitely not “leave her teaching to the classroom.” We enjoy what she brings to the 'cast and consider her inputs an important part of what the three of us want GWC to be.

What Chuck said. And GR, too.

I dont mean to sound like Im attacking Audra by the classroom comment, I meant it in the context that it seems off topic on a Galactica podcast. I agree that she brings up interesting points and I love listening to all of your different opinions and topics but this one in particular just seemed to get to me a bit. Again I apologize if I sound like I was making a personal attack.

With the whole election coming up, race seems to have exploded lately.(not trying to bring politics into it, but this is related) I’ve been called racist to my face several times just for saying I am not a fan of or dont support Obama (I equally dislike McCain, just so you know). I would just rather enjoy my BSG without bringing those kind of topics into it.

Thats just one guy’s opinion.

The shot of the Resurrection hub blowing up was totally beautiful, by the way. I’d love to see that on the big screen.

It was spectacular.

You can see it at Keara’s house if you cook for her. :stuck_out_tongue:

IF YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANS!