DS9 Today

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#1

So I pretty much missed the boat on DS9 the first time around. I ate, slept, and breathed TNG for YEARS after it went off the air and then I found Voyager and watched it for its entire run.
So I’m watching DS9’s first season right now for (I think?) the first time…

Provisional governments. Occupations. Terrorists…

COULD THIS SHOW BE ANY MORE RELEVANT TO THE WORLD RIGHT NOW?
I’ll apologize in advance if all of this awesomeness drops away by ep. 4 and I’m just not far enough along to know it yet, but this show’s really surprising me so far.

Deep Space Nine & 2009.
Discuss.

#2

I’ve been rewatching select episodes of DS9 myself recently. If you like the first season, keep going. The first two seasons are significantly weaker than the rest. The same was true with TNG.

#3

Belive me, if you like that, you are going to like the rest. And yes, it is still very relevant today, maybe even more so then when it was made.

#4

it’s my favorite Trek actually, with TNG a close second…excellent show

#5

I loooooooooooove DS9. Best Trek (I like the rest, but this one’s it for me). Just wait until you get to “Duet” in S1. I cried. Be prepared.

#6

DS9 is my favorite as well.
Once the actors get into their roles it gets really good.

#7

I Loved DS9 to be great! it’s my favorite ( past my lifelong loyalty to TOS)

In ds9 they kinda say ( around season 5) that the federation hippy lifestyle was bad. Sure Sisko and the crew defend the Roddenberry dream, but later afdmit that that’s impossible during wartime. As a viewer outside the fourth wall, you find yourself sayiing "you guys are stupid… the domminion is going to kick your ass if you don’t wise up. Like the domminion spy tells them after they stop the coup on earth ( the admiral that was right!) They weren’t ready for the “real world” and it almost cost them their freedom. (almost a metaphor for the US pre-911). We eventualy see our heros making decisions (pale moonlight) that however unpopular today… we see as absolutely neccessary for our ds9 heroes to survive.

Ds9: The show that proved that roddenberry’s dream was faulty and would have cost the human race and thier neigbors their freedom!

#8

I got entirely different conclusions from "“Homefront” and “Paradise Lost”.

It is easy to identify the problem, it is hard to come up with the right way to resolve it. Kind of like trying to figure out what’s going wrong with your pitch or swing when playing baseball. It’s easy to say “the ball too high” or “the swing is too early”. But it is way harder to correct it, especially when you appproached it with the wrong methodology.

If Admiral Leyton had his way, the freedom of federation is lost without the Dominion ever doing a damn thing.

There are good reasons for Sisko to do what he did in “in the pale moon light”. The Dominion was going to take down the Romulans after they’ve dealt with the Federation/Klingon alliance. If the Romulans couldn’t see it, a little manipulation to get them to face the facts was merely strategical.

Where was Admiral Leyton’s concept of “security” was betraying the very ideals of the federation.

#9

on the domsinon war episodes alone, I think it would have brought ina huge audience if played now

#10

It definitely resonates in ways that I don’t feel like it would have in the late '90s. Though, to be fair, those were my middle and high school years, and though I was oddly interested in current events, I might be missing some of the parallels.

In fact, I think it resonates today in the same way BSG does (thanks RDM :)).

#11

Love the discussions folks!
I never thought it was a weaker series by any means, I just missed out on it, but I guess it didn’t occur to me it’d be so many people’s favorites. Glad to hear it, and I’ll definitely keep watching.

#12

DS9 was hit-or-miss, but when it hit, it knocked it out of the park. The first two seasons especially had a handfull of great episodes each, but they were still finding their footing, much like TNG had to find it’s rhythm in it’s first two seasons. But the Dominion War really made for great TV, the Defiant, the Founders, the Jem Hadar, much awesomeness. The only Star Trek we’ve really ever gotten that featured full-on fleet vs. fleet combat scenes, and a mostly-great cast, led by the incomparable Avery Brooks as Captain Benjamin Sisko. His relationship with his son Jake was so well done; check out the episode “The Visitor,” one of the best Star Trek outings to date. The introduction of Worf after the destruction of the Enterprise-D in Star Trek: Generations was well-handled, even if it did defy the logic of Worf popping up in all the TNG movies (like in Insurrection: for no apparent reason, here’s Worf!). Sadly, the second Dax left a lot to be desired, and the series finale was a HUGE letdown, little more than a clip show. But overall I’m a fan and wish I could find the DVD set at a discount.

#13

it might be a bit of a let down, but I don’t think it 's HUGE letdown… It certainly wasn’t as classic as the TNG finale tho.

I do like a lot of the details in the finale. Especially the last scene with Jake standing in front of the window. If you liked “The Visitor”, there’s parallels in that scene to the scene in “The Visitor” that really brought tears in my eyes.

#14

DS9 is probably my favorite series, with the notable exception of the episode with the flaky skin people (though it’s a good story, I can’t get past the visual) - It’s the series I grew up with, after getting into TNG in the fifth or sixth season. The Dominion war is an extremely good way of telling a lot of stories that are very relevant in today’s world.

I’ll admit, the first couple seasons are a bit unfocused, but keep with it, the payoff is well worth it.

#15

Is the flaky skin when Garak used that inhibitor thingie to prevent Odo from regenerating and bits of him started flaking off? That always kinda freaked me out.

#16

I was referring to the episode where the race of flaky skin people come through the wormhole and want to settle on Bajor. The Bajoran government says frak off, worried that they’d have to support another group of people in a time of poverty. Good episode, bad choice for alien makeup.

#17

Agreed. It makes my skin crawl.

#18

what about dat episode when Julian tried to cure a bio-weapon residue diseased called the blight?

though the most horrible I think is still the Phage from Voyager…

#19

“I am Just plain, simple tailor”.

Garak was one of my favorite characters from all of Star Trek. I know that did not have much screen time, but Garak was a wonderful divergence everyone else we have seen in the Trek universe.

#20

I know it does not have anything to with the grand story arcs of DS9 but the following quote as delivered by Worf will always stick out in my mind, as one of the greatest of all time.

Worf: (listening to Bashir and O’Brien arguing about the death of Davy Crockett)
You are both wrong. The only real question is whether you believe in the legend of Davy Crockett or not. If you do, then there should be no doubt in your mind that he died a hero’s death. If you do not believe in the legend, then he was just a man, and it does not matter how he died.