Okay I just need to clarify something for myself. The cylons split apart and attacked each other. So does that mean. That there big cylon on cylon battles going on elsewhere and that Galactica might have some support out there. Or has Cavil killed them all and only the one rebel basestar in the fleet. I mean we saw a few ships blow up when cavil initially turned on them. but i get the impression that the cylon fleet must be bigger than that?
I’ve had the same thought - we know they left the colonies, but there should be more cylons than those few base stars we saw make war in 4.0. However, I’m not sure we have any evidence of more cylons outside the ones we’ve seen.
How do we know that all the Cylons left The Colonies (or the Cylon home world - whatever that may be)? I think you are correct, I just cannot recall being “told” that in an episode.
Here’s what I think is going on - mostly because it “has to be” for the saga to come to its conclusion. ALL the S7, Toaster Cylons and their ships joined in the pursuit for Earth. The destruction of the Resurrection Hub ended the ability of all S7 Cylons to recreate.
This sets up the final conflict involving everybody and everything that is left (at least of the Colonial humans, FF’s, S7’s and Toasters - I still think that Our Earth is out there somewhere - because it has been shown to us - and, while this great struggle is going on elsewhere in the Galaxy, you and I are communicating about it as if it were only a TV show - mwa ha ha ha ha!).
Can’t the S7’s build another hub? I know it was used as a plot device to render them all mortal, but is the original hub absolutely necessary? They never went into detail as to whether that hub stored their original personality and with it now destroyed a new cylon would be a blank slate. I had thought that the hub was just an antenna. They should have time to rebuild.
Do we know if all Cylons left their homeworld? Is it destroyed as result of civil war? With the Heuristic inhibitors off on the tin cans what are they going to do?
This is a bit of a plot hole, isn’t it? I’ve always assumed that the rebel basestar in the fleet is it for the rebel cylons. The rest were killed off, permanently, by Cavil. It stands to reason, though, that somewhere there are millions, if not billions, more of these models fighting it out with millions, if not billions, of Cavils, Dorals and Simons. While we’ve seen what appears to be countless versions of the same model waiting either in resurrection ships or hubs at various points in the series, we’ve never been led to believe that any more than a few thousand, if that, are ever active at one time. It could be that, in order to preserve unanimity of votes within the skin job ranks, the cylons might want to keep their numbers down to a more manageable size, as Cavil once put it.
I agree with Armando’s post that followed yours.
Sure they could build another (assuming there’s enough of them left) and we don’t know for certain whether they all left their homeworld. Frak - we do not even know where it is or whether it ever REALLY existed.
What I think some of us are trying to say is that to wrap up the series in the time remaining and not leave a lot of questions remaining unanswered - you have to make some “assumptions” (or the series would have to continue). No more resurrection ships to make a whole bunch more S7’s (also, don’t want to reverse the story line of their increased mortality) and no more Cylons hanging around somewhere else - other than on the ships that have allied with the humans or ultimately will fight with the humans.
This could all be incorrect speculation, but I think some of the arcs have to have ended in order to close out the show. I am begining to repeat myself - so that’s all for now.
I’ve imagined it as the war broke out and the only rebels left are the ones with the fleet. maybe 2-4 of cavil basestars remain. I figured once the they rebeled the cylons would have instantly started fighting all across their empire. which should be fairly large by now. Its been a few years and they seen to build at an extremely ast rate. there original fleet was large enough to wipe out 12 planets and the entire colonial fleet (with baltars help ofcourse) but I still imagine that they’re are very few left.
What I never got is why the cylons cared about wiping out what was left of the humans. Without a sutible planet the human race should last but a few more genrations. however the Cylons could continue to thrive eslsewhere even in space.
In an episode, the name of which escapes me, the S7’s are discussing your last point. They all agree that the humans will never forget or forgive. And should they repopulate, etc. - they will come looking for the Cylons, seeking revenge - even if it be centuries in the future. Sounds like a cycle to me. I wonder who obliterated the FF Cylon home world - aka Earth? Humans? Or was it the Toaster/humanoid conflict (again)? (I’m not assuming that the remains of the Toaster found on Earth means that it was a pal of the humanoid Cylons.)
said we’d not see the cylon homeworld in the show. I think that makes a large plot hole. If you have a habitable planet you don’t need Erf, or the Colonies, or New Caprica. A line of dialogue saying they can’t go home because they destroyed it would be enough to fix this.
As to why they pursue humanity: a Cavil, the first to be airlocked, said they thought it was best, parents dying so the children can come to the fore, etc., but that they were mistaken and wanted otherwise. Still they chased humanity, though. Can’t jump outside the program, I guess.
Why set up a Cycle if it can’t be broken by either side?
Maybe Cavil will give us a little bit of the Deus Ex to explain the Cylon homeworld and what’s left of the S7’s. 3 models vs. 3 models presumably with their own basestars would certainly take a notch out of their numbers. Assume the FF are not production models and only exist as their characters.
Head hurting, reduced to simple questions; Starbuck? Erff? Baltar sex cult? Tigh/Six baby? Ooooo thaistick, Tigh and Six’s baby will be Tommy Chong.
Actually, remember that the cylons disabled the colonial defenses in the miniseries and that most of the attacks (even the huge one we saw in “Razor”) were carried out by small teams of raiders and (previously planted?) planetside nukes.
Your second point sounds to me like the reasoning behind the movie “The Plan” which is slated to come out sometime after the season ends. From what I hear it’s essentially the series told from the point of view of the cylons and explaining what the original plan was and that the main flaw in it was that they had not accounted for any survivors (interestingly, in a recent interview RDM has confirmed that the “They have a plan” line was David Eick’s and not his and that he was never really comfortable with it, so “The Plan” is a way for him to tie that lose end together).
I feel somewhat authorised (or is it, authorized? sic) to speak on this :
The Cylon-on-CYLON violence may well by occurring on the virtual realm; data-packets vs blocks of code, right on the cylonmatrix where they really live. The human skinjobs, bullet-heads, basestars & raiders are simply avatars in the material world; whereas their true form exists within the CYLONmatrix.
How does one know that when Cavill (quite literally) offs D’anna, she’s as good as dead? Her data-bits may as well be kept in cold storage on a mobile 400GB harddisk, or she may well be roaming free within the CYLONmatrix.
This is analogous to the Hindu religion, where the blue-skinned Lord Shiva is an avatarii of the supreme Hindu deity, if my understanding is not wrong. Someone help me out here? 