And Spiderman
Weirdness. During that scene the John Williams ‘Superman’ score was playing in my head. What the Funk and Wagnalls!
Running into battle in a business suit evokes such notions for sure
I thought he was looking for a phone book at first.
“FRAK I CAN’T REMEMBER THE NUMBER FOR THE DRY CLEANERS?! WHERE IS MY FRAKKIN FLIGHT SUIT AAAAAAAAAAH!”
“Where is my Supersuit?!”
I just got a friend caught up on Battlestar yesterday via the “What the frak’s going on?” recap at scifi.com and Crossroads 1 and 2. Good times. I was re-blown away by the end and have been listening to “All Around the Watchtower” nonstop ever since. More than anything, when Starbuck said, “It’s gonna be okay” I believed her. I believed the character and I believed the writers. We pan out through 4 Cylon baseships, which Galactica has no chance against, and it doesn’t trouble me a bit. I think RDM and the PTB did a great job with this episode- it seemed very, “I know it seems crazy right now, but we know what we’re doing, we have a plan (It’s much better than the Cylon’s one), and it’ll all be okay”.
Also, is it bad if I’m kinda hoping they’ll try Starbuck for treason or being-alive-when-you-should-be-dead or something just so Romo can come back?
That’s exactly what they were hoping you’d believe… now you’ll be properly unprepared when a whole frakking lot of crazy goes down… in SEVEN DAYS!
Doesn’t it feel like Christmas (insert appropriate fun holiday here) is coming early ??? 
Watching these episodes a year (and change) later, I still feel miffed at the entire concept of the Final Five. It seems like the writers just kind of “punted,” for lack of a better term.
Hopefully they’ll tie it all together in S4, and I’ll be happy.
Man I love these episodes, although I’ve been thinking about something, I’m wondering how exactly people reacted initially to the reveal of the final 4? because personally when it was revealed I thought it was an interesting twist on the characters, but really it took nothing away from them in terms of humanity. I felt at the time, as I still do, that based on what I’ve seen from the cylons, and what I’ve seen from the 4 characters themselves, I honestly cannot question the humanity of those 4 in any way.
I also wonder what the reaction to this move of revealing those 4 would have been, had we not gone through all the close encounters with the skinjobs? if we knew those 4 characters as well as we did before xroads1/2, but we didn’t know the cylons enough to see just how human they can act and feel, would we have reacted harsher on Tigh and Co. ?
on a side note, anybody else see the deleted scene for xroads2 alternate ending? I gotta say that woulda freaked me out quite a bit, at least the way it aired we got some clues that Kara was about to show up by seein the viper fly around.
I feel so used…
Hahaha, great first post or should I say: greetings, Starfighter
I know I haven’t been sane throughout this whole wait for new content, but the GWC community (especially Sean, Chuck and Audra) has really kept me from completely losing my mind over this LONG wait.
I bet Mary McDonnell was ecstatic about dressing up for those Opera House dream scenes, considering that she basically wears the same pants suit for 3 seasons minus her time on New Caprica.
It’s an interesting coincidence that when Laura suggests questioning Caprica Six about tracking devices and then walks away annoyed, she walks behind a glass partition and when Adama goes up to talk with her, from Lee’s point of view, when he sees them together, on the glass partition covering Roslyn’s face, the words “Damage Control” are printed.
HEAD BALTAR, YAY! He even gets Six to the point of taking one of the most brutally cold backhand shots of the entire series, only for her to turn back around had hand out her own knockout punch, but I guess because both a cylons… ok, one cylon, one tighlon, they could both take it without going down.
Bill Adama may never be embarrassed by anything Tigh does, but I bet during Season 4, he’s going to be pretty PISSED to find that he’s been a cylon the whole time!
What was it specifically that made Dee leave Lee at that moment? Was it because in her mind, he went too far by poking around Roslyn and the Kamala/cancer path? Was it because he gave up his military status to defend Baltar and going with Baltar/Cally’s theory on fleet politics, that she wasn’t going to eek out anymore career advancement anymore?
Normally, I don’t see Torre as very attractive, but it surprised me, I don’t know what it is, when Roslyn made the comment about her not combing her hair, I realized that these episodes, where she is hearing the final 4 music and looking and acting tattered are the most attracted I’ve ever been to her.
Now, with Tigh passed the frak out on the floor of his room, Helo is back to being XO and no one is more stunned about it than Helo himself when Gaeta addresses him as the XO.
We’ve talked about Helo and how he seems to be placed in every possible job available on Galactica, but one thing with this episode, he shows that he has some great instincts, in the same way that even when Tigh is fraked up and on a bender, when he got an instinct about a mission or fleet tactics (like when he predicted that the wayward cylon raider that was buzzing around Galactica “harmlessly” was actually a threat and ended up saving Galactica with one order) he was usually was right. Well, this time Helo feels like the weather is about to change, that something bad is going to happen around the point of reaching the nebula and it looks like with the approaching season 4, that Helo is right about this.
OK, it’s the end of Crossroads pt1 and the Chief, one of the final 4 Tighlons, didn’t make an appearance with the beginnings of the Tighlons hearing Watchtower.
There is something so wrong about Adama yelling “get your fat lazy ass out of that rack Roslyn!” but in the end, along with Roslyn’s reaction to it, it is also one of the cutest interactions between the two! It’s totally nuts.
Even though we didn’t see the Chief at all in Pt 1, we get him in the opening scenes before the credits roll humming the song in his sleep.
I feel bad for Celix, when Anders was helping her with her Pyramid practice, you could see she was starting to like him, but then when you see her walk in to get her stuff while Anders and Torre had just been together, the looks from both Torre and Celix are both hard to watch.
They have established during this second part of the season finale that Roslyn, Athena, Caprica Six and Hera (et al) were all sharing the same vision in the Opera House. We also understand that Anders, The Chief, Torre and Tigh are all going through the shared Watchtower experience. From previous episodes featuring the Opera House, we know that the Final Five also make an Opera House appearance. This brings up two questions. 1) Does the Roslyn et al Opera House vision occur at the same time that the Final 5 are in the Opera House? There is one other person who has always been a part of the Opera House visions, even this Roslyn et al one… Baltar, but up to this point, we have not gotten to see any scenes from either Pt 1 or 2 that he is experiencing any of this with any of them (we don’t see him hearing Watchtower and we don’t see him dreaming of the Opera House with Roslyn et al). 2) Will we get to see season 4 bring us Baltar with the same communal Opera House visions?
BUTTERFINGERS!!! I love that courtroom exchange.
When Lampkin is trying to call Lee to testify, he states that he can name 7 precedents where this has happened off the top of his head. Does everyone believe that or do you think he just pulled that out of his frak just then? Nobody called him on it, so we really will never know, but I wonder.
Damn that Baltar, everything just sort of falls into place for him, first he’s acquitted at his trial, then he gets abducted by three crazy, yet lovely looking ladies (ok, we really only get a good look at the one who had visited his cell earlier under media credentials, but still).
THE GALACTICA WATERCOOLER! SWEEEEEEEEET!
I LOVE Tigh’s shut the frak up, get back to work, I’m Sol Tigh til the day I die speech!
MY GODS! When Kara say “don’t freak out, it really is me” I got goosebumps and a chill throughout my body.
I think this type of thing is one of the many things I love about this show. It’s not that stupid “OH it’s a girl fighting” moment we see all too often when they try to bring in the “tough girl” character. It’s just someone being punched & that person retaliating.
And not only that, but that “tough girl” is probably the strongest, most ruthless character in the series, who could have just as easily killed Tigh as punched him.
After having rewatched season three:
I think the final five are totally unique and seperate from the 7. They obviously can’t download because the other 7 don’t know who they are and thus obviously have not produced extra bodies for them. I don’t think they are connected to hybrid at all - their knowledge base is totally seperate. Also I think that they are cabable of aging.
I don’t think that Kara was ever dead. I think that the explosion Lee saw was her ship going into some kind of worm hole or something - or she ejected and her ship did blow up, but she went somewhere else.
I think Baltar is the final cylon - but not in the form that we see him. What I mean is - I think that once Baltar clicks over and knows what he is and what his mission is he will basically be a completely different person. Whether or not he’s evil or good remains to be seen.
I watche it a couple of days ago. The first time I watched it I didn’t pick up any of the Watchtower lyrics until the big reveal. But on re watch it was noticable that they were scattered throught the episode. Not long to go.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. It really demonstrates how much care the episode’s director and the set design crew put into shooting BSG, that they’d include a lovely little detail like that.
I bet there are seven precedents for calling counsel to testify, but the part that Romo doesn’t explain is that these precedents probably don’t apply at all to the particular situation they’re in or the line of questioning he really wants to take Lee down. Romo knows none of the judges are going to call him on it; how could they even check to see if those cases even existed? It seems that Lee might be the only one in the Fleet with a nice legal library (because, seriously, who was traveling with the Caprican Criminal Code in their carry-on when the world ended? :)), and the judges aren’t exactly legal scholars. Romo played them all sooo well.
Wow forgot one of my favorite parts (been trying desperately to remember to come post it all day):
The four leave the watercooler room, and the music is playing, and they all go their separate ways. Tigh & Tory enter CIC and the music ‘absorbs’ the drumbeats of the normal BSG music. Result: the change in the music where that wicked “brrrackata-gack!” beat comes in, Adama talking about the nuclear weapons in the background - its almost like the room and Adama’s presence affect the music - just blows me away every time, gets me so excited for the new season. Bear McCreary FTW!
- David -
Ok, just have to put my two cents in on the Lee issue. While listening to a podcast recently where Helo was being debated, something gelled for me - both Lee and Helo are what could be called moral men, however from what we’ve been shown, Helo is rock solid in his beliefs/morals, and acts immediately and acoordingly. Lee, on the other hand, thinks he has one set of beliefs, when in reality, he has another - OR - when he looks really close at all of his morals and ideals, real close like when Romo confronted him about holding back evidence if he REALLY believed in the system, he hesitates.
This was also evident early on in Bastille Day - he believed, in theory, in what Tom did and wrote, but in reality, when push came to shove, he acted differently - though I doubt strongly that Tom was acting in anyway differently than how he had acted his entire career.
Lee has book morals and Helo has real life morals.
I’m not saying I think Helo is a better man - no frakking way - I think Helo is an idiot quite frankly, and the belief that he has in morals are blind. Lees only flaw, and the character development I believe that we are seeing, is lack of time to test out those beliefs, and come into his own, and think for himself, which is what Season 3 seems like it’s been all about, from the moment he returned with the Pegasus in Exodus - it hasn’t been pretty, but then, growing up rarely is.
About the Dee thing - I thought it was odd too that she left at that moment, after everything that had happened. However, Dee seems to have Helo-like beliefs - real black and white - Baltar Bad/Roslin Good - while Lee is much more realistic because of the role he is playing, but also the introspection that his chosen role has caused him to delve into.
Just a few thoughts on all of that - I’ve been in this “Lee is such a loser” mode for so long now, but something about it didn’t feel right. I think to myself, what challenges or free thinking or introspection would he have done before the attacks. He had a difficult childhood, but his path seemed laid out for him, and he was still in his teen-like angry-at-his-parents phase.
Echo the coolness of 6 punching Tigh back. That was just frakking awesome - my second favorite punch of the series - the first being the jab to the face that Lee gave Kara in Unfinished Business before they stepped into the ring…