Am I missing it?

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#1

Ok the whole importance of Razor wasn’t just to let us see a baddass Pegasus backstory, it was so we could hear this phrase.

“Kara Thrace is the Harbinger of death… blah blah”.

Oh shit. we are waiting for 4.0 and this says that Kara might be bad or something, who knows.

Then later on Kara melds with a Hybrid and it says it as well.

in 4.5 she repeats it to Leoban… and he shits himself.

Where in the finale did they explain the meaning of this at all!!!
I would understand it if it was a phrase spoken in season 1… but it was the final plot point of Razor and repeated in 4.0 and 4.5. Come the frak on RDM what was that all about???

or if I missed it, clue me in.

#2

The prophecy of Starbuck being the harbinger of death and leading them all to their end has been filled several ways.

  1. Kara causes death on the Demetrius, leads them to the end of a unified Cylon species.
  2. Kara brings back the Basestar which results in the destruction of the Hub, ending Cylon resurrection for good.
  3. Kara leads them to Erf.
  4. Kara uses The Music to find Earth, which ends the human races journey for a home, ends the line of pure human and cylons, and ends the series.
#3

Kara’s high-induced quest on poo-barge for Eath, led her to the lone baseship, which brought the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, and brought true death to the 12 Cylon models.

She also brought entire fleet to our earth, and introduced the rash to local population which wiped out the natives, leaving Hera as the MtDNA Eve.

#4

Yep, she ended BSG’s human race alright. In the attempt to break the cycle, not many are going to survive and those that do are going to be even more miserable than they were cooped up on th ships. Also, we know From Mito Eve, that when all was said and done - no more “pure” humans (i.e. the human race).

The conundrum is what choice did she have. Galactica’s time was up and the other ships had to be wearing out too. They had to find an inhabitable planet and the only one who knew for sure where to find one was Kara (and, of course, IT).

#5

i wonder how many habtal planets are out there . anyways thats it she did her job . she lead them to there end.:slight_smile:

#6

The odds tell us, not many.

#7

Those theories are all cute… but they aren’t the answer. They’re guesses. We don’t deserve that. He didn’t answer that plot point. If you have to think to come up with it… it’s not the answer. It’s an apology.

So the answer to my question is “no , they didn’t answer it”. There just are a lot of fans who are playing monday morning apologist trying to figure out a theory of how RDM might not have forgotten to answer the question. Evidently he didn’t answer the question. Shame! Shame! Bad RDM! Bad writers! Bad writeing!

I thought maybe, just maybe, that it was answered and I just missed it with all my emotional crying at the end. Maybe the group saw it. You didn’t, I didn’t… none of us did… cause they didn’t write it. Shame, I guess those last few moments of Razor are pointless.

#8

I don’t think the lack of explicit explanation means that it wasn’t addressed. It may have been left open intentionally.

#9

more like the harbinger of slight inconvenience.

#10

I don’t know about you, but sudden exposure to illnesses never encountered previously sounds like “Harbinger of Death” to me.

Smallpox, anyone?

#11

don’t see it that way. I am a firm believer that harbinger of death by the hybrid was referring to the destruction of the Hub. So for me that plot was resolved in season 4.0, much like who are the final 5 (except Ellen, resolved first episode of 4.5).

So I was never looking for “another” explanation of the harbinger of death in 4.5. I think before 4.0 ended they tried to answer a lot of old questions that fans likes to speculate on, so they are be freed to do other stuff.

Though I think Kara is left unclear to what the harbinger of death prophecy came true or not. Because that’s just how it is in the real life. You get fed an unclear prophecy, even if it is true, you won’t know whether it has already happened or not.

#12

Let’s look at the source for your answer. Everyone in a goo bath called Kara the Harbinger of Death. So a big question arises, are they neutral in the conflict or do they have a side?

Prior to the finale I thot there were two factions of Head people involved, the ones who spoke to Baltar and the ones who brought Kara back. I thot there was going to be a war of the gods. One faction was for the cylon and the other for the humans. I figured the hybrids were speaking for the cylon God.

Post finale, we know this to be untrue. The Head folk are all one faction. So, were the hybrids predicting the future or just defining Kara according to the parameters they understood?

If (as I understand it) Kara is an instrument of whatever God likes to be called, then Harbinger of Death fits her. She is an omen. She will abolish the current cycle and lead the way to the next. She is the nexus to the whole story. The cycle ended and Kara was purpose was complete. She brought Humanity to its end.

Hera is the sign of things to come. She is the birth of the next cycle occuring our Earth.

I hope that helps.

#13

Well said, succinct and clear !!

#14

but ‘harbinger’ implies badsorrybarb destruction–which we got on the colony–but it implies a unified destruction as in firing off the nuke which does in Charleton Heston and the rest of the earth in POTA, or, I don’t know, fiery hot chicken wings 20 min later. Thing is, “they must not follow her” she’s the Angel of Death and they followed her. Maybe the cycle woulda been broken if they’d not found earth at all. Basestars rebuild themselves–it coulda been. Lost in Space, anyone?

#15

Well, do we know that the cycle had not been broken? Is that final scene there to tell us to sort of break the cycle"? In other words, if BSG were real, that final scene sort of shows that world how the cycle is already restarting.

#16

The BSG crew is no more and we do not know if they learned to live together or not. One assumes nature nabbed them. That makes Lee the Harbinger by saying they should give up their tech. Aside from that aside I think the Cycle is not broken until we know how they ended–and how we end in the context of the show.

#17

Well put, sir. One question: when did you get 14,000+ posts? Geeze! Don’t you work, 'Talos? Do you EVER get to see your kids? :eek: :wink:

Actually, Harbinger (according to Webster’s online) is
1archaic : a person sent ahead to provide lodgings
2 a: one that pioneers in or initiates a major change : precursor b: one that presages or foreshadows what is to come

So while the word sounds bad ass (and it does), badassery is not necessarily implied.

Indeed. Is the cycle broken? Well, maybe the BSG crew’s particular cycle, which overlaps with our cycle, which, as ‘Talos points out, began with Hera. Or maybe it isn’t. Maybe we’re a continuation of that cycle. RDM et al seem to be saying that it’s etirely up to us and how we handle the next few years. (I think it’s interesting that their show seems to be making the only case for how to handle a post-human/post-singularity world. Most of our society is concerned with environmental disaster–something that is merely hinted at in the finale…maybe–but RDM and his staff are looking at Ray Kurtzweil’s and others’ ideas about what they see is the coming age of conscious [spiritual] machines. Hmmm…)

#18

Actually, if my job didn’t get in the way my post count would be much higher. As I’ve said before, I love to frak and Frak parties rack up post counts. Most of my activity on the forum is when my daughters are fast asleep and when I should be asleep but who needs sleep anyway. It’s just supposed to promote good mental and physical health, but I never scored well with either of those anyway.

#19

Kara Thrace is the Harbinger of Death to the Cycle. very clear, but not spoon feed I agree, but very clear non the less.

#20

Well then, carry on. :slight_smile: