Alice in Wonderland review (not really any spoilers)

So on Friday the wife and I went to see Alice in Wonderland 3D at a mini “imax” in Wimbledon, SW London. My wife is a massive fan of Burton, Depp, Helena and in particular Alice in Wonderland. She has a shrine of AiW stuff at our house and we’ve visited Lewis Carol’s grave which isn’t far from where we live.

We had pretty good seats in the middle, pretty much ideal for the 3D thing.

Overall I thought it was fun and interesting, but it didn’t blow me away. I think the fundamental problem for me was that as a film it was principly an exercise in eye candy, style and characterisation. As opposed to say plot or dramatic tension. (This is something I feel is true about a lot of Tim Burton stuff). Which isn’t necesarily a bad thing, but does mean you are dependent on your visuals to carry the thing.

Certainly the design and characterisation were fabulous. Johnny Depp in particular did an amazing job as the hatter, and most of the characters were very vibrant and distinctive. Similarly the visual design was amazing with Tim’s usual fabulous detail.

Where I think it underwhelmed though was in the eye candy stakes, with or without consideration of 3D. What makes it worse is that I think it would have been a lot more impressive if it had come out 6 months ago, i.e. before Avatar raised the bar so high for this sort of thing.

I don’t just mean 3D, but the heavily computerised characters and landscape in general. Tim was pulling a lot of the same tricks that James Cameron did in Avatar. e.g. the mapping of actors onto CGI bodies was essentially the same as in Avatar, the 100% CGI sets they lived in, a completely digital world, etc. The problem was that the execution wasn’t as good. You could ‘see the joins’ where Matt Lucas’ face was mapped onto Tweedledee and Tweedledum and some of the characters didn’t look ‘natural’ within the world they inhabited (by which I mean convincing within what they are). Especially for me the Knave of Hearts, who moved awkwardly and to me often looked like a cardboard cut out floating around the scene (ropey 3D may have been to blame here). Even allowing for how ‘out there’ this is, I never found myself lost in suspension of disbelief, which I did for pretty much all of Avatar.

I think the scene which really brought it home to me was when Alice was walking through an amazingly colourful garden of flowers and mushrooms, not long after arriving in Underland. The colours and detail was gorgeous and this should have been a real stand out moment for the design and CGI. Except that Avatar had a very similar scene walking through the Naavi jungle, which completely blew this one away.

All of which wouldn’t really matter, I don’t just go to the movies for eye candy, except that there wasn’t a lot of plot to pick up the slack. So you ended up with a lot of interesting and well portrayed characters living in a world which is good, but in the back of your mind you know isn’t as good as it could have been, and progressing down a fairly linear and unchallenging story.

The 3D also wasn’t IMO as well executed, mostly because it fell back on the old ‘throw things at the camera’ tricks more often than not, rather than just sitting in the background and helping to immerse you in the story, they way Avatar did. The other thing I felt was that the 3D was a bit off and in places I found I couldn’t make out the detail as well because of it, which was a shame given that detail is something Tim does so well. I’m actually looking forwards to seeing this in 2D HD on Blu Ray, as I suspect it will look richer for it.

Sorry to sound like such an Avatar fanboy, but my overall impression was that Tim slightly fell between two stools here. If he’d released this a year ago I think he would have got a lot of acclaim for the new territory he was breaking in visual effects, but he’s missed that boat. Conversely, if he’d waited and was starting it now, I suspect he would have looked at what James Cameron did with the technology and been inspired to make a film which looked twice as good as this one does. I think the technical brilliance of Avatar coupled with the vision and style of Tim Burton would be an amazing thing to see.

As it is, it was an interesting film to see and I’m glad we went to it in the cinema (as if my wife was ever going to miss it, she already has her ticket for the proper imax). But it’s not going to stick in my mind and stay with me the way some films do, which is a shame.

Well, I didn’t see it in 3D because my Little Sister and I didn’t feel like waiting around for another hour, but I rather liked the 2D version.

I liked it a lot, even though the Evil Clown look of the Mad Hatter kind of freaked me out. I think the characters were kind of endearing, I wanted to hug the bandersnatch (lamprey-mouth and all,) and I was rooting for Alice in the end. I should probably point out that I’ve never been the hugest fan of the story–the Disney version terrified me to the point of tears when I was a kid–but I tend to love retellings of it. I think watching it with a kid helped, too, like watching through two different sets of eyes. Afterwards we ended up talking about what the most awesome alternate world to fall into would be, which was great.

I think this one’s a Blu-ray purchase :smiley:

I thought it was an interesting watch, but I just felt it was missing…something. It just didn’t seem to have the heart that Tim’s best work usually has.

I’ve never really been into the work of Lewis Carrol, and this film didn’t really do much to sway me in either direction in regards to it. It just seemed like a bunch of eye-candy with not a lot of substance, complete with a climactic battle that felt rather tacked-on to me.

But, I totally dug Helena Bonham Carter as the Red Queen. She was delightful, as I usually tend to find her.

The kids dragged me to this Saturday (okay, I dragged the kids).
I agree with all the above. Although it was visually stunning, it was a little hollow.
I loved the Cheshire cat. :smiley:

Of course you did, it was Stephen Fry who is God! :slight_smile:

Thanks. I Imdb’d him. I knew I’ve heard that voice before.

It was a pretty good movie. As I left the theatre though, I was thinking more about the Tron Legacy trailer than the movie I just watched, lol.

Yea I dug the movie. I thot it was a perfect Tim Burton version of Alice. It was visually really cool but the story didnt really blow me away. I agree with many of the reviews that said that Everyone was great except Alice herself was kind of wooden which i agree with. One thing i did love was the background design. I thot the Monkey Candelabras were an awesome design choice.

I saw it in 3D. Is it just me, or did the 3D seem not as dramatic as the 3D in Avatar? I was expecting more, along the lines of Avatar 3D.

Like what, specifically?

I’m curious about this, because there’s been a lot of debate about how to use 3D properly. What did you find lacking?

I know this wasn’t addressed to me but - my roomate and I went to see it in 2D first and then in 3D later on. My thought was that it was only marginally more impressive visually in 3D - I really didn’t feel like it was enough better to be worth the extra money.

Avatar on the other hand was magnificant in 3D and well worth the extra money.

That was becasue Avatar was made for being seen in 3D whereas Alice was shot in 2D (mostly) and then later adapted for 3D

In Avatar, it was as if everything I saw looked three dimensional. Every scene, even faces. In Alice, no so much. Most noticeable in the backgrounds and horizons, and of course whenever something was thrown in the direction of the screen.
I would say Coraline better utilized 3D, but it was not as good as Avatar either.

Ah, that would explain much.

that makes a lot of sense. And it makes me concerned for the quality of Joss’ Cabin in the Woods being adapted to 3D…I really wish they would just leave stuff alone. EVERYTHING doesn’t need to be in 3D guys.

Yes it does! lol

Especially Star Wars! Worth the ticket price if they can just get the Death Star trench run to look 3D.

I have to admit that WOULD be pretty cool. But I feel like for new movies if they are going to make it 3D - they need to film it in 3D…don’t retrofit later.

they just want to cash in on the Avatar dollars.