#245: Geekdom Part II, Garth Sundem, Solai

I’ve only recently started listening to the podcast, these past two editions being my first.

I have to admit, I am rather moved by the geek testimonies (geekimonials?) that I have heard. It got me thinking, “Have I REALLY come out of the proverbial geek closet yet?” The answer, to my own displeasure, is a resounding ‘no.’ As much as I would have liked to make myself believe to the contrary, I’m still living inside a cocoon. But now, I think that it’s finally time I break the nerd shell and be released. Below, you will find my geekimonial.

It all started back in 1990. I was just a young buck then, and I sat down on the couch to find something to watch on TV. So there I was flipping through channels, trying to find something entertaining, when I stumbled across the program that changed my life forever. That program was Star Trek: The Next Generation, the episode was “The Defector.” The first images I saw were of the Romulan Warbird chasing after their own scout ship. This was my first experience with anything sci-fi related and, needless to say, my mind was completely and utterly blown away by what I had just seen. I never looked back. Star Trek had changed me from the inside out, and I’ve been a geek from that moment on. I was the only kid in school who dressed up like a Jaffa from Stargate (the original movie) for Halloween, the only kid who thought Klingon cranial ridges looked incredibly awesome. All the other kids in class drew pictures of fire trucks, fancy cars or their families while I drew pictures of Commander Riker and the Enterprise. I brought my Star Trek toys to school so that I could play with them at recess (at first by myself, but I found one other person to play with later on). By age 10, I could tell you how a warp core and a cloaking device worked, what tachyons were, and the difference between tetryons and verterons, and thus, everyone thought that I was the smartest kid in class. It didn’t help that they were correct in their assumptions, since they only way they’d talk to me is to see if I knew the answer to their homework questions.

And that’s pretty much where the torture began. There were not many kids my age who were into the same things that I was, and as such, I was picked on nearly incessantly. My two friends who were also into the “geeky” things were ostracized the same way. But my geek zone expanded far beyond Star Trek and sci-fi, and I believe that it was the catalyst for an exceptionally lonely childhood and adolescence. The fantasy geeks didn’t like me because I was a football geek. The football geeks didn’t like me because I was a band geek. The band geeks didn’t like me because I was a choir geek. The choir geeks accepted me, because the vast majority of them were geeks about something else as well.

Then I went to college. I went to a small, private school of roughly 3,000-3,500 students. And even though it was small, it was still socially segregated- where all the geeky kids lived in Dorm X, while the jocks lived in Dorm Y. I quickly learned that this system is a geek breeding ground, a place where we geeks can come together to grow in and share their geekness without fear of persecution from the majority of the student body. While I lived in the “geek dorm,” I was still shy and reserved about my geekness- even though I was in an environment in which being a geek was socially acceptable (which, as we all know, is hard to find). I locked myself in my room with the doors and blinds closed so that nobody could see me building my Star Trek CCG decks, or playing Freelancer, StarCraft and later WoW. I cloistered myself into my safe zone, and rarely came out. I hid all of those things when in the company of others, pretended I wasn’t interested and lied to myself and everyone around me about who I really was.

I met my wife in college, and it took me a very long time for me to open my inner geek to her. Slowly but surely, I started to reveal small facets of my geek self to her. At first, she wasn’t sure how to respond to them. She accepted those parts about me because they are a part of who I am, but she didn’t fully understand or appreciate those facets and, unknowingly, cause a lot of the same negative things that had plagued me since childhood (strange looks, negative comments about the things that I enjoyed, et cetera). We’ve been together for six years now, and only recently has she really started to understand why I like the things I do, and has actually come to like them as well; I made her watch the entire series of Star Trek: Enterprise, and now she’s almost as much a fan of Trek as I am. She’s also jumped onto the football geek bandwagon, which was a much easier step for her to take.

I have started to come out of the closet as a geek lately, but only in front of my wife. In my longing for geek community interaction, I stumbled across the GWC podcast. I subscribed, but didn’t immediately start listening, most likely due to fear of inner persecution and trying to convince myself that being THAT geeky is a little too geeky, even for me. Five weeks after I first subscribed, I listened to to the (then) latest broadcast entitled “Geekdom, Part I.” At the end of that broadcast, I felt that I should let the world know who I really am. But I had to really work hard to talk myself into it, to really accept that I would actually be accepted by those around me. I’ve always thought that being a geek was something I did indoors, away from the sight of the general public. Releasing myself unto the planet as a true geek is a very frightening concept, especially if you’ve lived in fear of it for your entire life. I only hope that this big step that I am taking will be received graciously by the GWC community. As much as I talk about “coming out” and revealing my geek self to the world, I find comfort that I can still hide behind avatars and forum nicknames. Maybe someday, I can tell it on a mountain, but the though of that still scares the hell out of me.

Which brings me to today. I have never said many of the things I have written in this geekimonial to anyone else before, even my wife (she knows I’m a geek, but not the how, why or when of it). As a result, I find that writing this has been a very long, emotional process. But now that it is written, I do in fact feel a great sense of relief and clarity mixed with fear and doubt. For even among other geeks, talking about this is scary and it is not at all easy. As I said above, I’m hoping that I will be accepted in this geek community.

I’m not entirely sure how to end this. There’s so much left that I want to say, but I cannot find the words. Perhaps in time I will be able to express myself better, even to all of you.

just to point out audra that if you want to gain a better understanding of the D&D gendre then can I suggest you check out the following two online strips, one goes through all of the :
lord of the rings movies

the other one (rather more extensive) covers the star wars movies

They both go in to thge tropes of D&D and are great fun to read, especially if you know the movies they cover.

Venona,
I am honoured to read what is clearly such a personal narrative. if you ever need to chat about such things pm me.
gentle hugz
Phaze
on the “I really am tuched by the above account, I will respond more fully when I’ve had some time to think on it” ID

Lol! I’m enjoying these. Thanks.

Inspired by Solai’s story, I will be speaking in Colonel Tigh’s voice from now on in GWC.

Will somone Turn OFF THAT FRAKING MUSIC!!

You don’t end it. You just keep posting. :smiley:

Ahhh, Solai’s voice. So soothing.

It’s like the Transformer Soundwave smoked a joint.

Welcome home my friend. Take your time. Relax. Enjoy.

Thanks for sharing, Venona. You take one step toward the geeks, and we take three toward you. Welcome aboard.

Welcome to the Forum! Thank you for sharing your story. I promise you, this is a place of acceptance. We all have interesting stories and experiences, and the nice thing about this forum is that you can always share them. No one judges here, or looks down on you. It sounds too good to be true, I know. But it’s for realz, as the kids like to say. :smiley:

What you should have said was, “I promise you, this is a place of acceptance for everyone. Except you. This is the ‘no geeks allowed’ club.” I probably would have laughed.

Thanks to everyone for all the welcome comments. I really do appreciate them all. I’d love to see what everyone else’s story is…is there a remarkably-hidden-yet-totally-obvious forum for that too, Pike?

OMG - Paranoia was insane! Just changing a light bulb was an adventure!

Same here, only halfway through the podcast and I had to pause and add some comments. The discussion of Geek Logic and enumerating the question of whether to get married or not reminded me of my hero and original geek, Charles Darwin. When confronted with the question of whether he should ask his cousin Emma to marry him, he made a detailed list itemizing all of the pros and cons:

This is the question

Marry

Children — (if it Please God) — Constant companion, (& friend in old age) who will feel interested in one, — object to be beloved & played with. — —better than a dog anyhow. — Home, & someone to take care of house — Charms of music & female chit-chat. — These things good for one’s health. — Forced to visit & receive relations but terrible loss of time. —

W My God, it is intolerable to think of spending ones whole life, like a neuter bee, working, working, & nothing after all. — No, no won’t do. — Imagine living all one’s day solitarily in smoky dirty London House. — Only picture to yourself a nice soft wife on a sofa with good fire, & books & music perhaps — Compare this vision with the dingy reality of Grt. Marlbro’ St.

Marry — Marry — Marry Q.E.D.

Not Marry

No children, (no second life), no one to care for one in old age.— What is the use of working ‘in’ without sympathy from near & dear friends—who are near & dear friends to the old, except relatives

Freedom to go where one liked — choice of Society & little of it. — Conversation of clever men at clubs — Not forced to visit relatives, & to bend in every trifle. — to have the expense & anxiety of children — perhaps quarelling — Loss of time. — cannot read in the Evenings — fatness & idleness — Anxiety & responsibility — less money for books &c — if many children forced to gain one’s bread. — (But then it is very bad for ones health to work too much)

He didn’t make a mathematical formula as that wasn’t his thing (enumeration was probably more Malthus’s style). I find it quite touching to see the thought process behind such a weighty decision.

I played D&D as a kid and have great memories. I still have some of my original books in the closet somewhere. However, I too played Call of Cthullu in my twenties. My main character was a professor of dinosaur paleontology: a half mad academic who’s research interests came in useful given his adversaries (not to mention his skill with a shotgun he developed from defending his field sites in the wild old days of paleontology).

I’ve paused the podcast right as Solai’s segment started. I’m really eager to hear it and want to second my appreciation for all he had done to the community.

However, I have to admit that apparently Chuck was talking a bit quickly in the beginning of the cast and I thought he said that Solai started a group called Hagrid’s Slut. I think we can all agree that given the forum this is an easy mistake to make. I have to be honest and admit that I am a little disappointed now that I realize I was mistaken, but I’m sure the story will be great nonetheless.

Ditto. I love my kid, but the early rearing stage sure does cramp one’s geekdom. I just hope that she is willing to share it with me when/if she develops the interest.

And yes, I did inhale…

The (Un)Official Introduction thread is prolly the best place to start. The OG thread is fairly good at catching up on the longtimers (although, there’s a lot of folks who predate most of them and haven’t posted very often.)

tl;dr Don’t worry about it. :smiley:

That was a great geekimonial, I hope you will find what your looking for here, (I sure do) but the best is a MEET-UP.:stuck_out_tongue: After a GWC meet-up there is a feeling of freedom that can’t be describe. Shooting the bull with people that actually catch your reference and don’t judge you is quite liberating. I recommend it ( it cost way less than a shrink :wink: )
Welcome to the best of the best. :wink:

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Love the Correcting Diane Sawyer moment at the end.

Set her straight, Garth.

Like Shooter and everyone else who’s posted, I also enjoyed Solai’s segment. Actually, I had visited Hagrid’s Hut a few times–how cool to be reminded of that site and learn that came to the world through our very own Solai!

I first knew that I was a geek round about the fourth grade and first became proud of it in high school, but I didn’t have geek friends with whom to socialize until college, really. I had one friend who was a fellow debate team nerd, and we rocked out together on that, but in other realms our interests were pretty different. (fortunately I had a crazy awesome group of girls who loved and supported me even if they thought it was weird that I watched Star Trek: TNG. A lot.)

In between 9th and 10th grade I read the first through third Harry Potter books and was immediately hooked. I still had a year or more until Goblet of Fire and I just needed to talk about the books, geek out about them, have long rambly talks about how excited I was to see what would come next for Harry now that Sirius was his family. And so, for the first time, I stumbled into fandom.

I was too late for zines and too young for cons so thank goodness the Inernets were starting to be the hub of fandom. I ultimately went the route of LJ for my HP indulgence and really got a lot out of the community there.

I was blessedly lucky to attend a college that invested in really well done online community software (FirstClass). I was active in two different Harry Potter groups, and because I could blend chatting and writing with the women online from my room or between classes with actually hanging out with them at the student center or going to the movie premieres together, they took the place of the LJ Potterverse.

It was the summer after college, about 2 weeks after I got kicked off FirstClass for having graduated, that I found GWC. I was lonely, jobless, carless, 1,000 miles away from school and suddenly cut off from the program that had kept me connected to campus from anywhere in the world for four years… no wonder I needed a new geek community!

GWC, needless to say, has been amazing.

This is so true. Actually, it’s why I am really into the subgenre of post-apocalypticism. Sometimes it hurts a lot or is too depressing and I need to give it a break for a while and watch something happy and sunshiney instead–that was definitely true post-BSG. And I just finished Mocking Jay, the final book of the Hunger Games series, and spent an hour flat out sobbing in bed, only to move right on to the new Vorkosigan book for consolation. But I am strongly drawn in to books about the small, guttering lights of humanity that shine after most of us have gone dark. I believe that even if long-term survival becomes hopeless, human nature won’t let the remnants quit. We have to grit our teeth and muster up what little good about our species is left inside us and do everything we possibly can to launch that bit of human spirit into the future to carry on. And exploring the ways that happens, for whatever reason, is something I find compelling.

Pike, I think I love you.

Yep. Even when we can’t come around that often anymore but we still listen to the cast each week; even when our worlds start collapsing down into the job, the long term relationship, the cat and the 3 friends we still make time to see; even when we are almost intimidated about checking in now that we’re so behind, we just keep posting.

That was what I call ‘‘Sharing a moment’’ with a game. OMG I was so stun about that one.
In my personal experience it actually surpass the FF7 moment (but it’s very very close). I felt like I was watching Empire Strike Back for the first time again (and I would kill to be able to relieve that moment) that is saying something. I’m actually replaying Kotor as we speak on Xbox.
Anybody who as not played that game and is a Star Wars fan should at least give it a try. The graphic are old and it’s a bit buggy but WOW.

i actually just finished an evil female run in kotor. it was even more fun on pc than the old choppy xbox version.

Hey SB, if I remember correctly you’ve listened to the Slate podcasts. Perchance did you hear David Plotz’s rant about Walking Dead? It was weird he also went a little nuts on the Slate Culture Gabfest’s Facebook page. Anyway, some zombie must have left a fly in his ointment sometime in the past…

Oh, and BTW, just finished Solai’s segment. It was a truly fantastic insight. Thanks for sharing!

Yeah, I played on the PC and it was a good experience.

Another eventful game moment:
Homeworld. It was almost the first 3D RTS (3D as in space, not as in using glasses). The music, the story, etc. But especially the way the developers used in-game rendering for the cinematics.

Yet another:
Tie Fighter’s Tie Defender. The first time you fly that ship, you never want to fly anything else.