#243: Halloween Special

As a preface, I’ve only watched a couple episodes of Caprica, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

To be fair, I think that most fans of BSG appreciated the “thinking stuff”, but were initially drawn in by the space battles (and Six :wink: ). While Caprica being part of the BSG franchise should have drawn people in, it didn’t seem to have the same draw for casual viewers.

That is what I was trying to get at with my comment - I like pretty lights in space as much as the next person, but that wasn’t the only thing in BSG. And last week had some awesome action… who knows when we’ll see what’s left :frowning:

/mope

My best Halloween costume(s)? As a child my parent made me a Laura Ingalls Wilder dress (calico!), complete with matching bonnet. It was awesome (and very appropriate for upper Midwestern trick or treating). Also, last year I was a Trek communications officer. I wanted to be a science officer, but it was what it was… but I had a phaser! and a communicator! and a tricorder! It was also awesome.

Halloween candy likes: Smarties, Sweet Tarts, Nerds, Sprees, Milky Way, Three Musketeers.
Halloween candy dislikes: anything with nuts or coconut, gum, fruit

dual costume ideas

I really want to thank the crue for the long talk about Caprica and Syfy and the cancellation. I think you guys summed up how a lot of us were feeling about the cancellation, which was disapointed but not surprised. And how we felt about not showing the remaining 5 episodes until 2011, which is, to quote the creator of another sci-fi TV show, “a giant middle finger composed of red neon fifty stories tall, that will burn forever in the night.”

The future of entertainment is happening now, and nobody has quite figured out “The Model”. When they do, I think we will be better off, but until then it’s chaos.

Edit: Also, I was “someoned”! Sweet!

Halloween Costumes:
I remember a lot of mine as a kid.
Kindergarden - Superman
2ed Grade - Waldo (from Where’s Waldo)
3rd Grade - Gold NextGen Star Trek jumpsuit
5th Grade - Purple Headless Ghost costume with the black see through felt, like the jawa costume.
6th Grade - New York Islanders’ Jersey on top of Purple Headless Ghost, with Hockey Stick.
(Yes, that was when I started getting ironic.)

Chuck, you’re Halloween costume for next year: Shave the goatee and go as the “Mirror Universe Chuck”.:wink:

Lawrence of Arabia?!?!?!?!?!? Sean actually compared Star Wars to that?!?!?!?!?!?! There isn’t a single shot in Star Wars that remotely looks anything like what David Lean shot! That’s like saying Ishtar had scenes like Lawrence of Arabia! Oh and Seven Samurai? Nope, nowhere in Star Wars is anything remotely like Seven Samurai. Though if you watch Kurosawa’s The Hidden Fortress, you will see the wipes that Lucas uses in all the Star Wars Films for scene transitions and for the most part all of the story of A New Hope as well, but with samurai!

Sorry couldn’t let that one be folks.

Could Sean or someone please provide me with some sort of definition for what a “skater,” a “Emo,” and a “Goth” is (perhaps like the 12 different types of dragons)?

I feel like I’m too sheltered behind my 6 layers of armed security, no windows, and secure communication means.

~Shooter Out

Oh that’s easy. Emos are Skaters who are Goth. Just less makeup, and better hand eye coordination

Perhaps Mr. Shatner can helps you out. Um, Mr. Shatner?

Hope that helps.

Sorry g, this isn’t something I pulled out my arse there. :slight_smile: This was a study we did in art school on the shots, timing, movement and colors. As well as some of the costumes and style he had going on with characters like Obi-wan.

Punch up Lawarence of Arabia vs. star wars and see what you find. Lucas himself is quoted in interviews back in the day as pulling from it for style and the desert scenes just like the WWII dogfight scenes where he did direct movement ports to space battles. I think theres even a direct pull from LOA in Clone Wars somewhere.

I might still have the study I put together on a zip disk (yeah, I know zip disk…oooooold) in the office closet where I superimposed them together so you can see it.

With 7 Samurai and the like, I just pulled this (below) that sums it up pretty well and illustrates the wealth of hotness drawn upon in SW as well as the Akira Kurosawa tie-in…which is sweet (follow the link here: http://www.tcm.com/thismonth/article/?cid=191476&rss=mrqe) As you mentioned, the wipes, but it’s a little more than that…

‘George Lucas has acknowledged his debt to Akira Kurosawa, and several homages and allusions can be found throughout the Star Wars series. In Star Wars (1977), the robot C3PO echoes the comments of the Japanese peasants when he says, “It seems we are made to suffer. It’s our lot in life.” Luke Skywalker also bears similarities to both Kikuchiyo (the farmer’s son aspiring to warrior status) and Katsushiro (the young man yearning to be a disciple to a master). In The Phantom Menace (1999), the shot of Federation tanks coming over the hill is a direct tribute to the horizon shot of the marauding bandits. Lucas has said Yoda rubbing his head while thinking was a conscious homage to Kambei’s head-rubbing gesture. Lucas has also said in interviews that while he was in Japan he became familiar with the cinematic genre jidai-geki (“period film,” a category to which Seven Samurai belongs), so it is widely assumed this was an inspiration for his invented word “Jedi” (rebel warrior). Lucas has also employed the rarely seen wipe effect as a scene transition, which Kurosawa uses frequently in The Seven Samurai.’

I think the point Chuck and I were trying to make in the cast (and he can jump in and correct me if I’m out of line on this) is that influences happen. We pull from many things when making stories, even great stories. And getting into what’s completely new or not and from where is helpful, but defining what value you gain from the resulting new story by filtering out what elements you’ve seen in other formats is less than constructive - get the story - it’s more fun in the long run. :slight_smile:

Congratulations!! You’ve been

Sorry Chuck.

No, I’m not.

what. No. Emos don’t skate. Emos have hair over their eye(s), wear skinny jeans/girl jeans, sometimes have dyed hair, and their style is hot.

Good lord, I cannot stand humidity. I live in Iowa anyway. I hate hot, humid weather so much that Chuck’s descriptio nmade me physically uncomfortable.

I feel like Caprica is what it is; a separate concept grafted onto the BSG universe. It never felt authentic to the BSG universe, at least to me. While I understand that this is the prequel show that can go into greater detail than BSG did, but Adama’s dad especially did not ring true as a character. I also never liked the New Cap City thing, though I understand it’s part of the downfall in its own way.

You take a look at SyFy’s “audience” argument, though, and I think it holds up. Caprica is largely for people who already like sci-fi, and probably also liked BSG. You’re not going to discover a new audience here that suddenly catches on, becuase BSG already nailed down that audience about as best as you can. The numbers on this show were falling through the floor, and like Sean said, it’s not a cheap production.

People mention how AMC probably could’ve made this show do well, and that’s another point. Caprica is a very serious, very mature, very dour show. And it’s on a station, outside of BSG, that isn’t very serious by nature. It’s not a “prestige” station. They’re known for camp and low-budget terror movies. So without being as ludicrously good as BSG, it had no chance on that station. It would’ve been better before or after “The Walking Dead.”

I understand Sean’s argument about wrestling and think it’s totally valid (though I’ve heard more that it is “soap opera for men” than “Justice League Weekly”). I don’t hate people who like it. But it’s not for me.

I wish “they” could figure out the Model as well. As a parent of two school aged kids, I can state that I hardly EVER watch a show when it airs live. My DVR has been my salvation. My husband and I watch shows late at night after the kids are in bed, or we catch up on stuff on the weekends or over holiday breaks.

I read this interesting article today about Stargate Universe, and this really stuck out:

“And here’s one final reason you should watch Stargate Universe. Because Brad Wright is asking you to.
Wright has a request for fans. “Please watch my show. … I mean, ‘I’m loving the show. I downloaded it,’ … that does not keep us on the air. Viewers have to watch our show live on the same day, otherwise our television show is going to go away,” he said.”
Link: http://blastr.com/2010/11/7-reasons-you-should-watc-1.php

WHY do I have to watch the show live on the same day to keep it on the air? This is baffling to me! And so frustrating, because it means good shows like Caprica and others will be cancelled prematurely.

Outdated advertising model, in a nutshell.

I share your frustration, and mostly get my TV by DVD and OM these days.

Um, doesn’t that only matter if you’re a Nielsen home?

Also, buying a show on DVD or digitally has an impact. Futurama came back because fans bought the show.

For the most part, yes.

Also, buying a show on DVD or digitally has an impact. Futurama came back because fans bought the show.

Yeah, that tends to be a delayed effect though, given how long it takes for most shows to come out on DVD (as Futurama’s initial cancellation showed.) I don’t know how much impact iTunes and the like have had so far.

what’s frustrating to me is that i don’t count. what i watch and how i watch it has no impact on anything when i’m watching tv.

I think I posted this somewhere else; apologies if you’re seeing it twice.

I forget exactly what the metric is called, but some DVR viewing counts for the second-tier ratings… IF you watch within 3 days and don’t skip commercials. I’m not a Neilsen house, but for my favorite shows, after I skip through the commercials, I let the whole program run through while I’m sleeping or stepping away from the TV.

Best Halloween candy? Dark M&Ms.

ok i’v elistened to the whole cast, a large part of it driving 3 1/4 hoursw in the dark, wind and rain.
While i accept the criticism of the non scayr halloween episode, tbh it felt like I was not alone in the car, the cast brought me in, i felt as though i was sitting, aroundc the camp fire with Audra, Chuck and Shaun, listting to them BS and genrally all warm and fuzzy.
Thank you folks for making what should have been a long and lonely drive in to a good esperince, not got comfrimaiton on my leave for mrach but still in tend making the metup, you care package should be en route tomorrow.
Phaze
on the “this weeks SGU rocked but bear in mind i’m a week behind you guys” ID