12 Monkeys

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#1

I would like to suggest 12 Monkeys the rather underated Sci Fi tale starring Bruce Willis and directed by Terry Gilliam, a paradoxical tale of trying to stop the spread of a virus which leads to human abandoning the surface of the earth.

I know this movie didnt meet with a 10 on the Willismeter however its probably one of his best acting performances without the aid of an AK47

pleaaaaaaaaaaasee :slight_smile:

Racetracks Man.

PS I would watch the Life on Mars rewatch as long as it was the UK one, seen the US pilot and it sucked by comparison, I mean Chief Oā€™Brien as Gene Hunt, I think not

#2

Seconded! Great flick that completely deserved at least two watches to figure out what the hell is going on. :slight_smile:

#3

I watched it once just to figure out what the heck Pitt was saying. Had to do that with ā€˜Snatchā€™ also. I tried to mimic his character from ā€˜Monkeysā€™ and hurt my spleen. The man is genius. I canā€™t wait to see him in ā€˜Burn After Readingā€™.

#4

I watched this on a total whim one night recently and really enjoyed it. I would definitely do a rewatch and be interested in a podcast on it, because I know I missed some stuff.

#5

Yeah, he does some pretty inspired crazy. Actually, one of my favorite roles of his is probably his least-known: the pot-smoking roommate in True Romance. I laughed every moment he was on screen. And speaking of inspiration: plastic honey-bear bottles are surprisingly flammable. Thatā€™s all Iā€™m going to say about that. :slight_smile:

#6

Were you hoping that honey remnants would help cut the bitterness of your chamalla?

#7

Something like that. Have you seen True Romance? Youā€™d know exactly what I mean if you saw his scenes.

#8

Havenā€™t seen it, but if itā€™s thatā€¦ inspiringā€¦ I might have to put it on my list. :wink:

#9

Iā€™ve seen it probably 12 times and I still donā€™t know what the heck is really going on.

#10

[spoiler]At the end, heā€™s the little boy and the mad gunman with the phony mustache. How the universe didnā€™t end from a time paradox? I donā€™t know.[/spoiler]

#11

Would that really cause a time paradox? Itā€™s not like [Spoiler]his younger self was shot, thus preventing him from growing up to become the convict who becomes the man in the awful Hawaiian print shirt who gets shot in the airport in front of his own eyes. It just created the incredible deja vu that he experienced from both witnessing at a young, impressionable age the murder of his own, aged body- and simultaneously dying a painful death while watching his younger self stare wide-eyed in shock and horror.[/Spoiler]

For those who havenā€™t watched 12 Monkeys but might want to, itā€™s a free movie on Comcast.

#12

Is it just me, or does it seem like Brad Pitt has a psycho streak in him? All the movies I really like him in, he plays a slightly unbalanced, borderline sociopathic lunatic with definite criminal tendencies, or playing next to someone like that. For example, 12 Monkies, Fight Club, Seven, True Romance, Snatch, Oceansā€¦

And when he tries to be a lovable character or romantic hero, he kinda sucks. (see ā€œMeet Joe Black.ā€)

I guess this explains why he picked the Wearer of Blood Vials and Adoptor of the World, over Jennifer Anniston. (Besides the fact that Angelina is way hotter.)

#13

also, iā€™ve heard Jennifer Aniston is a lousy tipper. which, if Pitt is anything like me, is a huge turn-off.

anyway, i vote for 12 Monkeys as part of a larger Terry Gilliam-themed arc.

#14

Yah!
Yah!
Yah!
So, what else besides 12 monkey?
Brazilā€™s gotta be there.
Time Bandits? Fisher King? Barron Munchausen? Python flicks?

Has anyone seen Tideland. (Itā€™s on my Netflix list)

#15

I loved Time Bandits. Such a fun flick.

And Python isā€¦ well, Python. Nothing more need be said.

The restā€¦ Iā€™d be up for a rewatch. Iā€™m not sure I really appreciated them to their fullest the first time around.

Has anyone seen Tideland. (Itā€™s on my Netflix list)

Yeah, I enjoyed it. Couldnā€™t for the life of me describe it if I tried. I was simultaneously entertained, horrified, and confused throughout most of the film. In short, Gilliamesque.

#16

Yeah, I got that. There were just a few more things going on that if you really think about the movie it makes it hard to really pinpoint what was going on.

#17

12 Monkeys is a classic sci fi movie. Iā€™m not sure who is underrating this film but you may want to consider that a deal breaker in that relationship. :smiley: Also, judging by the comments I think a re-watch would really help people out with there questions. It is definitly a movie deserving of multiple viewing just to get it all strait.

I donā€™t see where the paradox is? [spoiler]How does seeing ones self create a paradox? [/spoiler]Also, more current theories would say that just by traveling in time you are also traveling to another universe. This would mean that any differences you make wouldnā€™t effect your own universe. This isnā€™t the way they use time travel in this movie. It is a single strait time line and the way the story is written there couldnā€™t be a so called ā€œgrandfather paradoxā€ because as changes are made the time line automatically updates itself. If his grandfather died he would not be born and then the story would just have to be centered on someone else. Besides, IMO the universe if far to complicated to fall victim to the theory of something like a paradox. :wink:

#18

Iā€™m not teaching Time Paradox again. Last time, my head exploded.

Took about a month to grow back.

#19

I wrote this in the Brazil thread, but with the addition of 12 monkeys as well as time bandits and munchhausen, I think we really, really, really, really, should have some sort of a gilliam arc podcast(s)!

now, I have a very vague memory from 12 monkeys, but wasnā€™t the whole time paradox thing [spoiler] stem from the fact that while willis goes back into the past because of some evidence thingy (I canā€™t remember what it was), and then we find out in some awesome scene in the past that this future willis was the one who supplied this evidence or something like that?[/spoiler]

oh crap, Iā€™m now confused by what I just said.

#20

The way they use time travel in 12 monkeys would follow the Novikov self-consistency principle and therefore paradoxes are not a concern. While what you see and the order is decided by Gilliam everything was part of the same continuum and nothing ever deviates from what it is, was and will be.

You could have saved time healing if you had put some Neosporin on that. I hear that Samā€™s Club sells it in gallons. :smiley: