Furry tater - I was thinking the same thing…
The earth toasters are still out there somewhere?
Also…perhaps
Did the Earth Toasters hunt the final five in the same way the cylons are now hunting the fleet. Did the FF’s journey to the colony’s mirror the fleets journey to earth? And back and forth and back and forth they go.
Or the skinjobs won. The ensuing nuclear holocaust, and lack of resurrection tech eventually led to their demise.
That is what I thought as well.
I’m pretty sure that the FF were worked on and redeveloped the “lost” resurrection technology before the war started - although there may have been trouble brewing.
Two other things:
Clearly resurrection technology was initially developed by HUMANS - on Kobol.
How did the FF know where to find the 12 Tribes, having left Kobol 2,000 years before the humans did? Did they first return to Kobol? If so, what/whom did they find there to show them the way?
Have we considered that humans held the key to rez tech and that the 13th tribe, in fleeing to Erf, was using procreation becuase they didn’t have rez tech completely figured out? Perhaps they were trying to reverse-engineer a process humans didn’t want them accessing and this is why it was considered “forgotten”; because those who maintained the procedure didn’t allow FF-type Cylons to hold the key to it.
I think someone mentioned or touched on this but … if the FF were warned of a holocaust, who rained it down? If it was like that of on Caprica does that mean that humans are cylons? Is that what the Lesson of Kara Thrace is to us?
Good question! Perhaps it’s as simple as both sides killed each other, so no one survived?
Welcome to the Forum Furrypotato.
Wow, more good questions.
I’m coming to the conviction that “humans” died out a long time ago, and that all sentient beings in the BSG 'verse are one type of cylon or another.
Shiney! Welcome aboard OurMissJayne.
This is the kind of thinking I like!
Or… ‘humans’ and ‘Cylons’ are really one and the same thing, just with different genes active.
Perhaps all the original research into resurrection technology was effectively genetic research on the human genotype. Ellen’s re-discovery amounted to finding how to ‘turn on’ certain genes and genetic markers to ‘enable’ the traits we recognise as ‘Cylon-ness’.
That, Good Potato, is an excellent questions, and I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else ask it*. Welcome. Welcome to all the new cats. I can’t recall the last time discussion of an episode went on hot & heavy for this long. Good to hear from y’all.
Great idea, Seraph, and thanks for all the hard work.
Alas, I have to take issue right at the start on on point #1!!!
Is there evidence to support this? Apart from the ‘Sacred Scrolls’ and the ‘Book of Pythia’?
In fact, I have a massive problem with humans ‘evolving’ anywhere but on Earth, or the BSG-verse Earth-analogue.
Simply put, the likelihood of life following an evolutionary path essentially identical to ‘Earth’s’ and reaching a point where there are warm-blooded placental animals resembling humans, is effectively zero. There have been so many contingent events over some four billion years contributing to what we call ‘humans’ that it is inconceivable this would even be remotely mirrored anywhere else in the universe.
Now… before you all yell: “But this is fiction, and it’s not our universe, and it’s BSG!”… before you all think and yell this (almost valid-seeming point); this is not correct.
BSG’s universe, in nearly every aspect reflects our universe. The laws of physics seem pretty much the same. Biology likewise. Geology. Astronomy. Hell, even human sociology! And psychology.
And wait… there is an Earth. I’m trying to imagine by what convoluted means BSG’s writers would have either: 1) humans evolving identically independently on different planets, or 2) evolving on Kobol, and then colonising Earth.
Thus, having this happen would contradict both the real universe (ours), as well as BSG’s created universe, which is so similar to ours.
But this just is not logical. There would be no purpose. “That which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet.” Why would writers create an ‘identical Earth’, fiddle around with history, when such effort would actually produce nothing? Why not simply say… Originally, humans evolved on Earth. At some time they developed space travel. They colonised Kobol.
Then… you can have your timeline points from 2… xx.
Finally, I guess we have to get to the ‘Sacred Scrolls’ bit.
To me this is a nice analogy to belief in ‘our’ real Earth. Millions of people on our planet currently actually literally believe - despite mountains of real, hard concrete evidence, collected, analysed, interpreted, experimented upon, tested, and confirmed over centuries by thousands of the most capable and intelligent humans who have ever lived - that the obscure oft-translated (and mis-translated) unconfirmed, un-externally-corroborated, ignorant two thousand year-old parchment scribblings of shepherds, fishermen, convicted criminals, misogynists, war-mongerers, hate-filled racists, child-abusers, mystics and drug addicts is somehow superior and more ‘inspired’ or more valid in explaining the universe.
(Whew… that felt good… 
Why would we expect the BSG writers to not highlight this? There has already been much questioning of ‘faith’, the nature of religion, the meaning of prophecy, etc, in BSG. Why would we expect the BSG universe’s ancient ramblings be any more valid than our own?
Well, perhaps for some cute dramatic purposes there might be some nice coincidences, and alignments, but I reckon four years of pretty hard science, and recent solid explanations knock big holes in the BSG mystics.
Pythia is about as relevant to the BSG universe as Revelations is to ours: ie, it is only important if people give it importance.
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Caville & Ellen - “John” gave the FF a front row seat to the destruction of humanity, and yet the only one the died in the attacks was Ellen. He then “placed” her in the fleet to conntinue her torment…OR… so that she could have a front seat to the destruction of humanity. if in tonights show, “boomer” jumps to the fleet, that will mean they know where the fleet is… always have… Is “John” using these humans to find the last human colony that he knows exists but does not know where, so he can Kill them to?
Starbuck- it was the hybrid’s that said she is the harbinger of death. the Hybrids were created by the “colonial” cylons and had no info of the FF. In fact it was the “old man” hybrid, that said it first, and he was with the old fashioned toasters. perhaps, there was a split amoung the “colonial” cylons when the FF offered the resurection tech, to stop the war… and starbuck being the harbinger of death only has real meaning to the hybrids…
Could starbucks Dad really be the Eric Stoltz character from Caprica, and she is the first gen. skin job from the colonial cyclon development?
less the 12 hours to more answers…
The BIG impediment to all the theories is the revelation that Cylons have a different skeletal structure, or at least different enough that they can be identified by their skeletal structure. The writers have also stated that the 13th Tribe were Cylons which rules out a lot of theories about their origins: it’s definitely Kobol.
My guess is that Cylons were originally resurrected Humans, and because of some stigma, they went their own way during the exodus. The 12 Colonies turned their back on the technology and it was quickly forgotten.
Another option, based on James P. Hogan’s Voyage from Yesteryear, is that due to a lack of FTL on Kobol at the time, the Ark Ships that left did not actually have many real people on board, if any, but the genetic information to replicate or clone people once a suitable place was found to colonize. This theory would allow for other human colonies to be out there and that ALL humans have a clone for an ancestor. The big difference between the Colonists and the Erflings is that the Erflings (Cylons) remembered, or were allowed to remember, what happened as they were resurrected people in the first place. As they had no stigma attached to being resurrected, improvements in the Human form would have been allowed which would explain the difference in the Cylon physiology.
[See, OT, I’m back!!!]
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I’m on board with some of that. "My cycle’ (flawed) is at The One True God thread and elsewhere.
Humans evolved as humans really did - a long, long time ago on “Earth”. The cycle got started the FIRST time the humans created “cylonian” life. In OT’s cycle the FF are not necessary to get it rolling. But once they’re in, they’re in.
And yes, I continue to maintain that the S7 type Cylons will turn out to be The Lords of Kobol and the “gods” of the humans - and that “Cavil” will turn out to be the jealous god, who wished to be honored above all others - unless the cycle is broken.