Anyone who disagrees needs to re-read Gandalf’s account of his fight with the Balrog and the aftermath.
Two words sir: Avada Kadevra
JK
well here’s the thing LOTR wizards are are far more badass but Potter’s are more powerful so Potter’s would win; but who’d i want covering my back in a bar fight Gandalf all the way.
Gandalf, Harry Potter, and Dr. Strange walk into a bar…
Yeah, I got nothing… Someone else finish that off with something witty please?
This is not the first time we have ran into this type of problem. When we throw up two groups for battle I always take the very best I know is possible from either group. I know the LOTR Wizards origins but can’t say I know there full powers. From what we see it takes much more time and focus for the LOTR’s to use there powers than the HP’s. It’s like going into a duel where one person has a 9mm (HP’s) and the other (LOTR’s) has sword. HP’s would be able to unload multiple rounds into a LOTR’s before they could make there first attack. The 9mm is less lethal in general and the sword is more lethal in range. Everything we see in the movies is really pathetic as far as the LOTR’s are concerned and can all be done by HP’s (Gandalf is more of a swordsman than a Wizard :p). I know it isn’t the full extent of there powers but I have yet to see anyone list any specifics for the LOTR’s. This feels a lot like the vs. Jedi where they are chosen for coolness not skill and ability. (:eek: ducks incoming tomatoes)
If we are talking about groups, than the HP’s outnumber the LOTR’s at least 1,000,000 to 1. Also, who is going to heal the LOTR’s? The LOTR’s can die just like everyone else, it’s just harder. Gandalf (from what I have seen) had help coming back from the big guy, that is why Saruman never came back.
I’m with you Hansioux! 
Till someone can give us more info.
I can turn it into an Aristocrats joke if you want…
Istari all the way. They have some other kind of power that the wizards in the Harry Potter universe just can’t fathom, not to mention (I think) that the enemies in LOTR are just so much more powerful and evil than Voldemort and crew. Plus, as pointed out before, they’re immortal, while in Harry Potter, the wizards are kids.
Besides, Christopher Lee is in LOTR. As a wizard. Who DOESN’T want to be led by a wizard Christopher Lee?
For one more record, Saruman (the most powerful until Gandalf’s return) was killed by the most pathetic person in the whole story (with a knife, not magic). I’m just saying that assuming immortality is not a valid excuse to declare victory in this case. In HP your soul still exists after you die. Istari are like angels in human form. If they die physically then they loose the battle.
Sarumon’s powers were already diminished by Gandalf, who broke his staff and kicked him out of the White Council when he returned from the battle with the Balrog. By the time he was stabbed my Wormtounge he had already lost his battle to attain the Ring of Power. We don’t know that he physically died since Tolkien didn’t write more about him…well that I know of. I have yet to read the Unfinished Tales.
And I would hardly count Grima as one of the most pathetic characters in the book. Anyone who can corrupt a king and turn him into a puppet deserves credit. Granted he had Saruman’s aid…but still.
I guess pathetic is relative. I think pathetic like Peter Pettigrew. Not necessarily weakest in skill or strength but in character and the like.
It did cross my mine but in my mind the staff and the wand are similar in both worlds. The magic is focused through it (concentrated if you will) but not dependent on it. I will agree that the Istari and staff would afford more natural protection (unconsciously) than anything a wizard has. I am not sure if the staff would have to be broken to kill them. If it does to say a wizard couldn’t break it would make the whole deathmatch pointless. It seems as though anyone at a higher level or more powerful has a fairly simple time of breaking the others staff. I would say that in my mind it’s a matter of the “old magic” and only DD, VM and perhaps a few Aurors could do it. I’m not saying it is easy but I still can’t see them beating DD or VM. Not to mention if VM still has Horcruxes. Imagine an Istari trying to hunt those down on horseback. 
Not to mention that DD had all the Elder Wand. 
Also, I know it was stated that Gandalf died after the fight with the Balrog and he was sent back. So we know they can die. I am just saying that by definition we cannot have a “deathmatch” with “immortal” beings. Spock would roll over in his…oh wait…my bad…he on the other hand is immortal and can never die…permanently. 
I also don’t see DD fighting Gandalf. They would probably ask each other out for drinks and start up a relationship. They would make a cute couple. The deathmatch would be Voldy and Saruman.
I think that speaks for itself.
I would think for one of the Istari to break another’s staff they would have to be of equal or greater power. Possibly Saruman’s power was already dimished through his connection with Sauron. Since the Istari (or at least Gandalf) can be sent back, then we know they have a soul (for lack of a better description) that does not die with their physical body, which pretty much makes them immortal.
I agree that if the Istari are immortal (which I believe they are) then this isn’t a valid deathmatch. DD and Gandalf would make a lovely couple. Drinks and the finest weed from The Shire would settle all differences.
And I agree that the true deathmatch should be between Saruman and Moldybutt…umm…Voldemort.
I think i might change my vote. I originally voted fro the LotT but after some thinking i think the Harry Potter wizards are only limited by their morals. Remember Peter Petigrew who is not a super powerful wizard managed to blow up a good chunk of a city block killing 18 people or so. Once Voldemort returned he made Hurricanes hit England, destroyed bridges, and what not.
It’s my understanding that Peter just blew up the gas main under the street, and the Hurricanes were giants ripping up trees and stuff.
Lots of smoke and mirrors
Thats right about the Hurricanes…i forgot that. But blowing yo the gas main goes back to my thots on the Harry Potter wizards being smarter.