Let me just state for the record: Kirstie Alley was never hot. She is also the worst Vulcan ever. Nuff said. 
The Ricardo Moltalban Cordoba advertisement…
OMFG that was awesomely bad!
The small Chrysler indeed!
[QUOTE=frakkintalos;162981]Not everyone.
Raises hand as Kirk devotee! People should read his memoirs to get a better perspective on his role in TOS. At the time, the concept of ensemble cast was unknown. Kirk was the Star, and played it as such.
That would be, “Kroika! Kroika!”
Yes. I had to correct your Vulcan because I am that much of an unrepentant Trekkie geek. 
There was a great article in one of the old Best of Trek volumes that mentioned how, prior to ST II, we only heard individual words and phrases in isolation of Vulcan. The author did a phonetic spelling of all of them based on some standard international phonetics system, and provided an alphabetical glossary. I still remember “kipi tu kroaks” means “give me your thoughts” (from the Kolinahr scene in ST-TMP – gotta say, even with the rewriting of the subtitles in the Director’s Cut, now that I know the actors were speaking English, it is uber-distracting!), and the author debating at great length whether the actress playing the priestess is at one point saying Spock’s name or is saying “Op,” which would be a Vulcan interjection of surprise.
Wow, geekdom is great, ain’t it?
So, sorry to be obnoxious – but it’s Kroika! (Or Kroykah, if you prefer!)
(And unless Paramount subtitles prove me wrong. <g>)
I haven’t been this active on the GWC forum in ages. Thanks for taking on Trek! I’ll even try to stick around again afterwards.
And the odds of it ever coming up again are approximately 3,128,969.6868…
“Never tell me the odds!”
Seriously, I’d love for a “rebooted” Saavik to show up at some point in what I presume will be the long-living and prosperous J.J. Abrams version of the franchise.
And, yes – Hottest (Half-) Vulcan Ever. I loved McIntyre’s novelization of ST II because Peter Preston had a crush on Saavik just like I did.
Also, in the Star Trek III novelization I believe Saavik and David were getting it on, IYKWIM
Oh, yeah, IKWYM. And, dang it all, McIntyre makes it work. That is probably the best novelization of a move I have ever read. Frak, nothing from the film happens on the page until page 80 or so, and even then McIntyre has already re-arranged the film’s chronology to make things make a heck of a lot more sense than they do on screen. She also introduces not one, not two, but at least four elaborate subplots [spoiler] (Valkris on the merchant ship; Scotty’s strained family relationships; Grenni’s guit over Peter’s death; and Carol Marcus’ grief over the crew of Regula 1)[/spoiler] I highly recommend it to anyone who even remotely liked ST III. Guarantee you will not regret the time.
(I’ve heard you should be sure to pick up a contemporary editon, too, not the modern one-volume reprint – I’ve heard it takes out all the stuff about Sulu’s promotion.)
But, yeah, David and Saavik. Man. As long as its still Kirstie Alley’s Saavik. No offense to Robin Curtis, she really did a nice job with the role as well, but Kirstie Alley’s Saavik… yeah.
I am ashamed to admit, I never once thought, in all these years, they could have given the Salt Vampire a saltlick. See, GWC still teaching me something new!
(Maybe it had to have salt from a living being… oh, no, I guess not: it does go for the salt shaker on Sulu’s food tray, doesn’t it? Hm. That’s a fairly major logical flaw. Oh, well, willing suspension of disbelief…!)
Audra – You think the “walking freezer unit” business in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” was bad, check out an uncut version of the first pillot, “The Cage,” wherein Captain Pike confesses aloud that he “can’t get used to having a woman on the bridge.” And then proceeds to tell his Number One (Majel Barrett), “Sorry – you’re different, of course.” And no one says a word. Not one frakkin’ word.
Trek did its best to portray an enlightened future, but didn’t always hit it, of course.
Do you think Kirk really did swear the crew to secrecy about the events of “Space Seed”? I mean, he was giving his crew presumably posthumous promotions and commendations in his official ship’s log when Khan was choking off their air supply. Unless he went back and erased the log entires…
Man, geek conspiracy theories.
Regarding the flip-phone and communicator conversation around 1:50:00. Chuck said, “I had one of those as a kid.”
I have one now. I guess I’m still a kid.
Ok, talking in the transporter – I just assumed that meant, from the perspective of the subjects being beamed, there was no lapse in time. I guess that doesn’t make too much sense, but, never bothered me much.
Am I annoying everyone to heck yet? Two years of virtual silence and then, wham, Mike P can’t shut up. I shall attempt to restrain myself…
That was contemporary baggage, to be sure, but even with that a lot of the women in the test audiences reacted negatively to Number One. It was jarring to them to see a woman with that much authority.
The transporter thing bugged me. It smacked of “look what cool thing we can do,” rather than helping the story.
And you’ve got a long way to go before you’re even considered moderately prolific by forum standards.
True enough. Good point.
Incidentally, I am really excited about IDW’s Star Trek: Crew series of comic books. The first issue, maybe the first arc, focuses on “Number One.” I have always been fascinated by Pike’s Enterprise (Chris Pike, not our own GWC Pike <g>) – I got a complete run of Marvel’s Star Trek: Early Voyages on eBay last year (and now of course they are soliciting a collected edition – MARVEL!) – so I can’t wait to see how IDW handles that era (and how much of the 60s’ “contemporary baggage” they choose to import or not).
And you’ve got a long way to go before you’re even considered moderately prolific by forum standards.
LOL. I suppose that is true, also.
yep–she’s a half and half—half hot/half SUPER HOT!!!
Romulans looks like Vulcans in TOS as they were two tribes in the same race, but Romulans later were given head ridges in the later series. Wonder if they might explain that away somehow, too.
Keep posting, sir. It’s good to hear from you.
Just a little slice of life sharing here.
Wrath of Khan was the first movie I ever saw on video tape. My Uncle brought over his betamax VCR along with a couple movies one night, including Wrath of Khan. I’d say that this movie on top of my seeing Empire & Star Wars solidified my love of things sci-fi.
I’m also with Sean on the ear bug things, I still can’t watch that scene. It creeps me the F OUT!
Chuck, Sean, and Audra:
My name is Hugh and I live in Ohio.
I just left a voice mail and I will leave some notes here too. I’ve been listening to the ‘cast for the last month or so. I have been enjoying your comments about Trek and THE WRATH OF KHAN.
I’ve been a Trek fan since the old days. Yes, I used to watch Trek with that Android Ruk from the episode WHAT ARE LITTLE GIRLS MADE OF. Okay, not really. But sometimes I feel that old. I was 6 when Trek started and I just loved it. Some of my best memories from childhood were watching Trek, and thinking about Trek, and building model kits from Trek.
You cannot believe how excited I got when, at around the age of 10, I found the Stephen Whitfield book, THE MAKING OF STAR TREK which described the first two seasons of producing Trek. I went to my first Trek convention in 1974…it was in New York City. I am still amazed that my parents let me travel there by myself for a convention. I went to a second Trek convention the next year. I cannot describe how happy this all made me.
Anyways, here are my comments about the ‘cast (which I am still listening to):
First: in TREK 1:
-the actress playing Illya, Persis Khambhatta, actually shaved her hair for the movie.
-there is a photo somewhere on line of her crying as her hair is getting clipped
Second: it sounds like you were watching the “special edition” of TREK II; kirk’s line about knowing something about ships that Khan did not know was not in the theatrical release edition.
Third: Andra, the episode with the man who seemed to be the First Officer who turned Godlike and evil was the second pilot: WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE.
-Gary Mitchell (played by actor Gary Lockwood who was also in 2001) gains godlike powers when the Enterprise encounters a forcefield when it tries to explore beyond the edge of the galaxy
-the actress playing the blonde doctor was Sally Kellerman (who went on to play the original Hotlips in the movie MASH).
The vulcan dialogue in both Trek 1 and Trek 2 was actually shot in English. They dubbed in the Vulcan dialogue in post production.
-the Klingon dialogue in Trek 1 was not dubbed in
-the late Mark Lenard, who played the Klingon Commander, would get fan audiences to recite all the Klingon dialogue with him at conventions.
Fourth: Sean, the “A” on Khan’s necklace was the belt buckle off of a Starfleet uniform. Exactly how he got one off of one of the new uniforms when he’s been rotting on Ceti Alpha 5 for 15 years is beyond me.
Fifth: Audra, the model of the original Enterprise is located in the giftshop of the Smithsonian Air and Space museum, down stairs. Sean, the model is about 11 feet long. A long time ago, they had that miniature on display upstairs with the motion picture model next to it. Geek-heaven!
Keep up the good work.
Hugh
There are some further novels based on this continuity in which Spock marries Saavik and they travel to Romulus.