I think Helo will end up the only sane voice of reason–whatever that means.
I think I’m gonna go watch the episode again now, with the RDM podcast.
I may backtrack and synch up when the West Coast Frak starts.
I think that’s gonna be Lee’s role.
Helo is gonna lose it if they threaten Athena or Hera. Reason is gonna jump faster than a wacky hybrid.
! Helo as no longer a moral compass?! That’s messing with things, muwahahaha
night talos!
Just to put it out there, the tactic that Adama uses to get the information on the tillium ship from Zarak is called a “file and dossier” approach and it is one of the most effective approaches used in modern interrogation.
I was trained as a US Army interrogator and I lol’ed when I saw Adama do that.
Yeah. I said I was going but I can’t walk away. My eyes are squinting and I’m fading in and out.
cool bit of info, Daedalus–and welcome!
OK note to self. Don’t mess with Daedalus.
clears throat sounding official
Welcome to the Forum, Daedalus. Whatever you hear about me?
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I didn’t do it.
Thank you.
I just got back from my honeymoon cruise in the Caribbean and I needed podcasts for the times when my wife was asleep (I am a night owl). I grabbed 18 GWC podcasts and shotgunned them, one right after another.
I figured I needed to find the forums after that. Pretty jumping place, I must say.
In case that was not enough, I was an MP and ran the second largest arms room on the Korean Peninsula for about a year.
I had an interesting run in the military.
Head over to the Unofficial Introduction thread and introduce yourself. It’s the best place on the interweb
Did anyone notice if those pills Adama was taking were little blue ones?
That same thought came to mind for me too!
I’m downloading this episode now, I’m so excited about what’s going to happen, I have no idea what’s coming next.
wow, tieing up lose ends, but it’s getting darker and darker. Geata is killing me.
Yeah I know.
“Um…guys…have we tested anyone that hasn’t come back cylon?”
I missed that last night. Good one.
Splatterson, like Badger said, you know it happened. I think I have my new writing project: “The Dating Adventures of Felix Gaeta”
I did. I have no idea, though. I think what it was meant to convey was the continued sense of anarchy post-Erf. Leading into mutiny for next week. Selling it to the audience so it doesn’t come outta left field.
making notes for the dating adventures of Felix Gaeta Felix and Hot Dog, hmmmm.
Thanks–I thinks I lubs you!
One pill makes you larger, the other makes you small. 
I said the exact same thing . . . yuck.
Some thots upon rewatching and digesting:
-I liked the episode even more this time through. There’s actually quite a lot of humor in it for BSG–“guess a pity frak is out of the question,” “some days I hate this job,” “I wouldn’t eat the food,” “laundry records?” and Doc Cottle in general. It reminds me a lot of the day after a funeral of someone close to you: there’s a part of you that feels guilty about any little bit of happiness or humor you find in life, but it feels so good to finally laugh.
-Quite the reversal, seeing Bill “no networked computers on my ship” Adama pushing for the implementation of Cylon technology throughout the Fleet and Felix “networking is the only way to save the Fleet” Gaeta going against it. I think the installation of Cylon technology would be even scarier than having Cylons on board; Marines can take care of anything if either party gets violent, but Cylon technology is so far beyond human technology that people likely fear that no human would be able to spot a Cylon booby-trap or sabotage before it was too late.
-Cottle is still awesome.
-What was with Tigh’s pointed “unlike some people” in reference to keeping the Oath? Was he talking about Tyrol, who seems to have thrown in with the Cylons and is on the baseship?
-Where’s Sam?
-Why did Gaeta go after Kara in particular? At first, I thought Gaeta might be attempting suicide-by-Starbuck, like Adama did with Tigh, but upon second viewing, it’s clear that Gaeta was baiting Kara to see where the loyalties of everyone else in the room were. He was insulting her very loudly so that anyone in the room who was on Kara’s side would get pissed and either make their anger known or leave. Notice two extras leave right after Kara does. Then, Gaeta turns to everybody else in the room to talk about mutiny. Looking at it that way, it was actually a pretty smart tactic–not at all fair or moral or honorable, and it is downright douchey, but I have to give him credit for creativity.
-I am much less happy with Roslin this time through, because the first time I thought she was serious about resigning. Now, I see it’s another joke. I thought, if she wants to go the carpe diem route and give up the presidency, that’s a valid choice. If she can’t take it anymore and recognizes that enough to pass the torch, good on her; I think it’s probably time. But she can’t have it both ways, which is what she’s trying to do now.
-I think I’m in the “lovely” camp concerning the scene with Adama and Roslin at the end. They deserve it, and I thought it was very tastefully done.
-Baltar’s cult is going in a very interesting direction. I think that thread is probably the one closest to the source of the title of the episode, Psalm 42 & 43.
Excerpt (Psalm 42, 9-11):
"I will say unto God my rock, Why hast thou forgotten me? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?
As with a sword in my bones, mine enemies reproach me; while they say daily unto me, Where is thy God?
Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God."
-Baltar’s cult definitely has a symbol that looks very bird-like. It’s on the wall and on the pamphlets his followers hold. I think it first appeared way back in “Escape Velocity,” when one of his followers drew the symbol on the temple wall while Baltar screamed at the priestess. I don’t know what to make of this. Is it a dove? It looks bigger than that, like an eagle or an albatross.
-Zarek has a point about the Roslin-Adama administration. Did you notice how, at the beginning of the episode, getting the Cylon technology on the other ships is a political matter because it’s in exchange for a seat on the Quorum and full citizenship, whereas by the end of the episode, Adama has decided the very decision that he admitted was for the Quorum was actually a military decision? I think that’s part of why Gaeta looks so angry and uncomfortable in the scene with the Tylium ship jumping away.
-I loved the bit of Emily Dickinson at the beginning of the episode. It’s amazing that they just lucked into EJO opening the book to such a fitting passage. The whole episode does seem to be that languor that comes after the soul has suffered all it can.
-I think the main theme of this episode is parenthood. (Not my original idea–I know I saw it mentioned somewhere before–but I’m going to expand on it a bit). Tigh and Caprica Six are on the cusp of parenthood, not only of a child but of the rebirth of a people. Hot Dog discovers he’s a father, and Tyrol discovers he’s not biologically a father but is one at heart; he could just walk away completely, but instead, he gives Hot Dog a chance to take responsibility and be a dad while promising to return himself (after a few drinks, which he deserves). Roslin, and Adama, the “parents” of the Fleet, are getting to the point where they see it’s time to pass the torch and let the kids take some responsibility for themselves. And I’m sticking to my guns on the Prodigal Son/Faithful Son analogy for Gaeta; guilt and mistrust definitely play into his decision, but I think Gaeta is trading in Adama, the father-figure whom he feels failed him by accepting all the prodigals back (the Five, the other Cylons, Kara, etc.) and by not having a plan he trusts anymore for a father-figure who wants to bring about a day of reckoning, Tom Zarek. Baltar’s speech is all about whether people should see themselves as children being punished by a righteous heavenly father or if they have a legitimate beef with God. On top of all that, we have the awkward relationship between the Fleet and “humanity’s children,” the Cylons: is the Fleet ready to not only accept them, but welcome them to the table as equal adults?