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#21

First off, Welcome to the forum NothingButheRain. Great name BTW.

You should check out the Third and Fourth seasons of Enterprise. Since you love Trek, I think you would enjoy them. To be honest, after I watched the pilot of ‘Enterprise’ I switched off. When the third season started I heard some good reviews from people I trust. I decided to check it out. It wasn’t great but it was Star Trek fun again.

I did eventually go back and watch the first and second, I wouldn’t equate it to a root canal but it was painful. There are some gems in there. Unfortunately, ‘Enterprise’ never got its space-legs.

#22

Thanks for the welcome, it much appreciated.
Maybe, I’ll check out seasons 3+4. Tks

#23

Sorry, below is a bit of Enterprise bashing… You should still watch season 3 and 4… they are ok… like Voyager season 6 and 7 are ok…

Enterprise is an example of doing a show just for the sake of having a show. It had no idea what the fan wants. The creators had no idea what they wanted. They had no vision, they just want to have a “star trek show” so that money would come in.

The main character’s interaction was so few and poor in Enterprise, by season 4 it still feel like they’ve just all learned each other’s name. The only thing that developed was sexual tension.

I watched. I watched every single gods darn episode, from the temporal cold war, to the genetics altered stuff, to the Xindi what the frak.

I admit by the time they moved to Vulcan the show got a little better. The show got a little better when they finally decided T’Pal and Trip was the better pairing, wasting a butt load of time in the process, time which could be used to develop Mayweather, Hoshi, and the Reed.

So we had the Archer, Trip, Phlox and the horny Vulcana show most of the 4 seasons.

If these writers and producers had never done a show before, then fine, waste 3 season before it gets good. But it was Star Trek, with over 21 seasons of none stop shows under their belt, and I don’t care if it is tradition, Star Trek should NOT do 3 seasons of crap before knowing what they should do with the show.

I mean if Battlestar did 3 season of crap, 3 seasons of shows like the black market, would you watch it? Heck, it got a little off track now and then and some people already tuned off.

And when it comes to wrap up the show, the ending was HORRIBLE. It just goes to show the writers and producers still thinks that TNG is the only way of making Star Trek. They think the reason people tuned off is because it wasn’t TNG.

People tuned off because there is no thought to the story. And if Paramount spent some time promoting DS9, it’d would have been the best and most watched Trek Show EVER. And I don’t care how much you spend on promoting Enterprise, if the show was aimless to begin with, with a crew without personality, it was going to fail.

#24

Just to add, the crew without personality refers to the characters, not the actors. I love Quantum Leap and it pains me to see such a group of great actors are stuffed into these cramp characters.

#25

I have to say, Hansioux’s rant expresses almost exactly my feelings about Enterprise as well.

By the time it came out, I was eagerly awaiting a new Star Trek show, after having been quite disappointed by Voyager. And, yes, except for the sexual tension (which never really reached peak levels in Star Trek anyway), Enterprise pretty much sucked.

Temporal Cold War, what a great concept! Execution? Poorly done. Crap. I mean, what the frak, they go back to World War II, oh great, why is that? “Hitler sells”? I mean, isn’t the going-back-to-WWII shtick the most dealt with ad nauseam idea in scifi?

Not even mentioning how they messed with continuity. Hell, they even brought Section 31 back. Glorious. Section 31 in the 21st century? I couldn’t care less. An entire Mission-Impossible-like Star Trek show about Section 31 during the 24th century? That would have been cool. But that kinda concept would have taken guts. You know, making a Star Trek show without a spaceship.

#26

Wow. Just wow. I couldn’t have put it any better. Yep. That sums it up. Great job, hansioux.

Totally. NothingButheRain, you can skip the finale.

#27

TOS had Nazi-like episodes, The City on the Edge was one and Patterns of Force, which should have been a Star War titile.

They did a WW2 episode in Voyager too, Hirogens and the holodeck. I didn’t enjoy that one a lot either, but compres to the Enterprise one, it felt like it deserved awards.

I think even some old Battlestar did NAZI like stuff. I think future scifis should avoid the theme, it’s been over done. There are other ways of doing the story without having to travel back in time.

#28

Just got back to this thread. Very enlightening comments from you that have seen the series through. All I can say for Enterprise is OUCH !!
But if the shoe fits…