BANNED! Books week 2008

Way to go, DawnAZ! Your boys are fortunate to have such a caring, involved mom.

The last thing I want to do is be a censor in any way (particularly in this thread), but I think terms like “Japs” fall into the category of derogatory ethnic slurs. If we on the forum could avoid such terms, I think it’d make for a more welcoming environment.

And ClyonMATRIX, I agree with you that there’s no “competition” among the world’s atrocities. Their victims all deserve to be recognized and their lessons learned.

Aren’t those the good parts that they decided not to add in the first place. If I am correct there is still a lot of begetting going on in the Bible. I guess if I lived back then, without any books to read, I would be getting it to. IYKWIM :smiley:

Actually reading the book(s) instead of taking the spoon-fed versions that organized religion has to offer can be very entertaining…

We did the same thing.

What I wonder about… banning The Grapes of Wrath? That was a book I hated in school (I found it to be prodigiously boring), but what’s so objectionable about it?

Again, agreed. The Grapes of Wrath was the only assigned reading in high school that I never finished. And the only test I ever failed. I despised that book. Even if there was anything objectionable, I don’t think it’s the library’s job to decide what I (and/or my children) are allowed to read.

Then again, I’m the person who is all for people reading, period.

Hear, hear!

I wish people would just live and let live… it’s not like we’re forcing people who think that Adam and Eve played with the dinosaurs to read Stephen Hawking or Philip Pullman, or (dare I name it…) HARRY POTTER.

God forbid you have to read something and challenge your own views. Because it’s not like that does you any good, at all, to think about what you believe. /sarcasm.

Exactly- I’m very anti-censorship. (Right next to me on my desk here is a sticker that says “Everything I need to know about life I’ve learned by reading banned books” :smiley: ) And my stand has always been: If it offends you, look away, turn it off, put it down. It’s not an author/artist/actor/deejay/or whatever’s job to not offend you. It’s your job to decide what is acceptable for you or your children. /rant.

As a matter of fact, my HS english class did read more than just The Diary of Anne Frank. We read Hiroshima and The Killing Fields and several others about world history. Unfortunately, History class was a different story. We never seemed to get past the Cuban Missle Crisis. We always ran out of time.

And as a matter of fact, I think for most Americans, it’s more about the fact that for our parents/grandparents, it was a big part of their personal history. We all know (or know of) someone who fought in WWII. That info is just more accessible to us.

There’s an old joke about the last day of class, the kids are running out of the school and the teacher is standing in the door saying, “Oh, and World War Two: we won!”

ooo, i came across a programme on History channel recently, about the Alaskan front being invaded by Japs, and the local militia who fought to defend that front… that battle… was largely unknown until today…

anyway, have you heard the comment that war was God’s way of teaching geography to Americans? Historically, America has been criticized for its’ isolationist policy, until Pearl Harbour happened. But then, reading Mark Bowden’s Black Hawk Down, he pointed out that America’s involvement in Somalia coloured Clinton’s foreign policy, somewhat, towards the troubles in Yugoslavia; let it be NATO’s problem, not only the US. :cool:

PS, this is an asian viewpoint, and something you would never make the connection reading from an American history book, but the Pearl Harbour attacks were observed exactly 70 years to the day that Commodore Matthew Perry forced Japan to liberalise trade with the US at gunpoint (hence inventing the phrase, Gunboat diplomacy. It was the Japanese expression of revenge for this humiliation.

Perry arrived in July. They didn’t lift the ban until December?

Is it? Then I’d better check my int’l relations text again :o :o gawd, it’s been 6 years… methinks i’m shooting my mouth off and painted meself into a corner… so sorry, my bad

[SIZE=“3”]you know what? i’m just gonna stop right here and talk about my little pony…[/SIZE] hey wait, that didn’t come out right… :o:o doh`!

No need to come out with your little pony… IYKWIM!

CylonMATRIX, I understand you’re in Singapore, and that where you live the expression “Jap” is considered acceptable shorthand. However, in the United States and in a number of other countries, where many GWCers live, “Jap” is widely considered an offensive slur, like the “n” word or other ethnic slang terms.

If you will please avoid using this term from now on here on the forum, I believe it will allow a more welcoming environment for everyone.

Etymologyof the word from Wikipedia

Really? Where was it banned? I guess my fourth-grade teacher in my little Christian school didn’t get the memo. Her reading that book to us during lunch time is one of my favorite childhood memories.

BTW, how do they compile these lists? Do they take a poll of schools around the nation and tally it up? Do they count private schools/public schools/public libraries/universities, etc.? It’s not like there’s a central governing authority that anyone who bans a book reports to (or is there?;)). I mean, all it takes is for one little school to somewhere to decide not to carry a particular book, and BAM! Banned. Does that book then get a point on the list?

Saying a book is on the Banned List just makes it sound like it’s being smuggled into bookstores or something, and I think it’s not quite like clear cut.

oh wow, I really didn’t know that. So sorry :confused: Sorry Audra (yet again)

I seem to have a gift for stepping on Audra’s proverbial foot :confused::o:o

My Little Pony… my little pony… Look at me~! I’m all PEENK :stuck_out_tongue:

:eek::eek:

Well it’s interesting in that time changes perspective so completely. If I recall correctly (which I do thanks to wikipedia) it was banned originally because it was thought to be crude:

[i]The publication of Adventures of Huckleberry Finn resulted in generally friendly reviews, but the novel was controversial from the outset.[10] Upon issue of the American edition in 1885 a number of libraries banned it from their stacks.[11] The early criticism focused on what was perceived as the book’s crudeness. One noted incident was recounted in the newspaper, the Boston Transcript:

The Concord (Mass.) Public Library committee has decided to exclude Mark Twain's latest book from the library. One member of the committee says that, while he does not wish to call it immoral, he thinks it contains but little humor, and that of a very coarse type. He regards it as the veriest trash. The library and the other members of the committee entertain similar views. characterizing it as rough, coarse, and inelegant, dealing with a series of experiences not elevating, the whole book being more suited to the slums than to intelligent, respectable people.[11]

Twain later remarked to his editor, “Apparently, the Concord library has condemned Huck as ‘trash and only suitable for the slums.’ This will sell us another five thousand copies for sure!”[/i]

Granted, Lenny Bruce was thought to be crude when he simply did not wish to condescend to his audience and spoke like they did. Personally I would like to spin this thread off into a discussion of obscenity as a whole including profanity in speech, literature or other media. Anybody game?

Meh. It still fits in the context of this thread.

Uh…I’mma have to actually disagree. I know there’s connotations but they’re dumb. It’d be like somebody from the London being pissed off about being called a Brit. I do not think it’s n-word level which has no other possible meaning

“Brit” was never used pejoratively, and Brits were never rounded up and put in detention centers in this country. “Jap” doesn’t have the long and brutal history of the N word, but it’s not untainted